lel butthurt nerds jealous there will never be a movie made about them staring ashton Kutcher, face it, its not easy to find an actor that would fit into a xxxl anime teeshirt with cheeto stains, lel goo back to reading your precious little sicp, lisp is of no use in the REAL word faggotz, no one will ever care about your toy metacircular interpreter
>>11
Dijkstra was an arrogant jerk and architecture astronaut. And he invented nothing new, because LISP already allowed defining new constructs through macros.
Dijkstra basically stated the obvious: Fortran was a crappy language.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 0:31
>>12
I.e. compared to achievements of Steve Jobs, who spawned a cult of minimalism and simplicity, Dijkstra is nobody.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 0:32
>>12 >>13
The trolls are a lot better here than they are on /g/.
But still too obvious.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 1:34
I can't imagine what it must be like to have a your own biopic, where rehashed and otherwise mundane tidbits of your life are dramatized in grandiose fashion and set to intense music. You can go your whole life without ever raising your voice at anybody, but if a movie is made about it expect the actor playing you to be screaming at somebody in the trailer.
>>14
That aint trolling. Dickstra was highly critical of BASIC, which in practice helped to bootstrap the whole home computing thingie. BASIC was so simple, it could be packed under 2 kb of memory, together with line editor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Basic). Learning BASIC took a single evening, even for kiddies. People easily did accounting and fun games.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 14:28
>>16
BASIC was much more important than any of your obvious algorithms, which he probably overheard from more practical engineers anyway (because I doubt Dickstra wrote a line of production code in his life, he was too afraid of gotos).
>>18
It's very likely that learning that shit language did make it harder to teach people proper programming principles afterwards, just like it would with people getting their brains rotten by PHP today, or imperative programming throughout history.
>>19
He made a practical and novel OS back when the commercial offerings were shit. Believe it or not, the man actually wrote programs and was fond of engineering, thus his distaste for the shit everyone was always trying to pass for such.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 14:45
>>20 He made a practical and novel OS
His "OS" was basically a crazy Algol compiler running baremental on expensive hardware with megabytes of memory, while Tiny BASIC ran under few kbs. Guess why both Algol and Haskell failed?
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Anonymous2013-06-22 14:47
>>20 It's very likely that learning that shit language did make it harder to teach people proper programming principles afterwards
Most BASIC kids became top programmers, like Linus Torvalds, who learned programming using C64 BASIC.
>>22
Linus is not most BASIC kids.
Algol and Haskell have never failed. Algol is even still alive, that's remarkable enough for an ancient language.
And Dijkstra's contribution to COMPUTER SCIENCE/ is more important than the accumulated shits you BASIC kiddies ``contributed''.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:09
>>23 Linus is not most BASIC kids.
What makes him different?
Algol and Haskell have never failed.
Algol was superseded by C/C++ (which is basically a practical version of algol, without lazy evaluation, garbage collection and other academic crap). Haskell is an INTERCAL v2.0, a joke of a language - the epitome of all what is wrong with academic languages.
Algol is even still alive, that's remarkable enough for an ancient language.
Tell that to Visual Basic or even to QBasic, which is still being taught in a lot of Russian schools.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:10
>>23 And Dijkstra's contribution to COMPUTER SCIENCE/ is more important than the accumulated shits you BASIC kiddies ``contributed''.
BASIC is a cultural phenomena like Lady Gaga, while your computer sciences is a bunch of useless papers, no real programmer cares about.
Tell that to Visual Basic or even to QBasic, which is still being taught in a lot of Russian schools.
Doesn't mean it was harmful or shit or a grand achievement of humanity, just that it's still alive, and it didn't fail, like Algol. Haskell is an INTERCAL v2.0, a joke of a language - the epitome of all what is wrong with academic languages.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Haskell is not even that ACADEMIA QUALITY, but it's still too much for normies to handle, I guess. What makes him different?
But you are supposed to explain why he is your typical BASIC kid. So why is he your typical BASIC kid?
BASIC is a cultural phenomena like Lady Gaga, while your computer sciences is a bunch of useless papers, no real programmer cares about.
Yeah, no real programmer cares about finding shortest path in graph, because wait a minute, EXPERT ENTERPRISE PROGRAMMER needs no graph! And holyshit who needs concurency in this modern computing world, because [b][o]SEMAPHORES[/o][/b] and MUTEXES are just ACADEMIA bullshite!
But in the end you're right, BASIC is like Lady Gaga, it had it big, it hit the society hard, and it's equally disgusting.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:19
>>20
Yeah, a crazy Algol compiler with its own memory (and at this time programmers were still paging by hand) and which had to control devices down to the metal. Kind of like an OS.
megabytes of memory
The system has been designed for a Dutch machine, the
EL X8 (N.V. Electrologica, Rijswijk (ZH)). Charac-
teristics of our configuration are:
(1) core memory cycle time 2.5usec, 27 bits; at present
32K;
(2) drum of 512K words, 1024 words per track, rev.
time 40msec;
Well, it did cross the Mega-octet barrier, but the drum seemed to be secondary storage.
>>22
Most? Well, I guess that it was a pretty self-selected crowd then. Would you sing praises to Javascript or PHP now? And it doesn't detract from my point.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:22
>>25
>computer sciences is a bunch of useless papers, no real programmer cares about
You take that back!
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:23
>>26 But you are supposed to explain why he is your typical BASIC kid. So why is he your typical BASIC kid?
Yeah. Linus isn't even a typical nerd, because he has a GF. He is plainly bad example.
>>29 Well, it did cross the Mega-octet barrier, but the drum seemed to be secondary storage.
Tiny Basic ran on machines which had no secondary storage, while Algol compilers were frequently multistage (like 10 stages, each being separate program), because monolithic compiled would required megabytes of RAM.
>>34
His OS was impractical and had no cultural impact, while the "shitty language" did MSDOS and Windwos. Without BASIC we would all today used Unix without GUI. BASIC was the first step in making computing accessible.
Without BASIC we would all today used Unix without GUI
X server predates Windooze.
Graphical interfaces in general predates your shitty excuse of an operating system.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:44
>>37
X server was definitely not user friendly, while Windows is all GUI down to metal. And today we have friendlier interfaces, like those of IPhone, which doesn't even use keyboard at all, speaking with user in pictogramic language.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 15:45
IPhone is the second most important innovation after BASIC.
That is why /prog/ venerates Steve Jobs.
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Anonymous2013-06-22 16:18
>>39
I loved Steve Jobs. He sucked a mean dick. I sure do miss his ``jobs'' if you know what I'm saying. ;)