/prog/ - Compiled language for standalone applications

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 12:07

I need a compiled language that has built-in compound data structures like lists and maps, excellent libraries like ncurses and SQLite out of the box. Imperative, has a concept of modules and easy c interface.

I don't like c, too barebones. I don't like pascal's syntax. Golang's libraries are too immature. Help /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 12:10

Lisp

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 13:25

C

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 13:33

MY_LIST=(a b c 1 2 3)

MY_MAP=([OP]=faggot [LISP]=shit)

Use the shell!

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 13:35

python

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 16:28

C++

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 18:20

>>2
Which lisp?

>>5
I need a compiled language, remember?

>>6
Oh god please no..

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 18:23

>>7,2
All of them

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 18:24

Factor

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 18:38

>>9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_programming_language
Developer Slava Pestov
Jew.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 18:44

>>10
Russian, not Jew.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 19:06

>>11
Russians don't live in USA.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 19:10

>>12
Neither Russians have PhD in math.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 19:48

Guile Scheme.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 20:31

I don't like pascal's syntax.
That rules out roughly half of the "trying to be serious" languages in existence.

Golang's libraries are too immature.
The standard packages that comes with Go is pretty damn big considering that it seems they only pack in building blocks a C programmer would want, that is written in Go, and uses their BSD license. That cat-v site that gets posted every few days has a list of bindings to external projects.

I need a compiled language that has built-in compound data structures like lists and maps, excellent libraries like ncurses and SQLite out of the box. Imperative, has a concept of modules and easy c interface.
OpenCOBOL

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 20:41

I need a compiled language that has built-in compound data structures like lists and maps
C++ STL, C++ Boost (practically part of the language)

excellent libraries like ncurses and SQLite out of the box
Why does it have to be OOB? Is it so hard to install a couple libraries?

Imperative, has a concept of modules and easy c interface.
C++ doesn't have modules, but the C interface is obviously a given.

I don't like c, too barebones.
That's why you should use C++.

I don't like pascal's syntax. Golang's libraries are too immature. Help /prog/
Use fucking C++.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 20:45

Bonerlang will fill your hole just fine ;]

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 20:48

>>16
Shalom, c/c++ hymie!

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 21:27

>>1,5
If bytecode counts as "compiled", FIOC with CPython is exactly what you are looking for.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 21:50

D or Ada

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 22:29

>>16
boost
Ah yes, the PHP of C++.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 22:57

>>21
What does that even mean"?

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 23:02

boost
the PHP of C++ that brings the Perl syntax out of C++

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 23:47

I'm guessing you want a compiled language for type safety (if this is not the case, just use Python or Ruby ffs).

I have to suggest C++ as well. The STL solves a fuckton of common programming problems and boost covers whatever else you might need. Pretty much any respectable library has C/C++ bindings. It has the effective properties of modules via namespaces. It is about as imperative a language as you'll find.

Also, C is very bare bones. That's sort of the point, and no serious developer would design a real world piece of software in C without a context-specific impetus to do so. Lacking objects, it has a pretty limited modern use case.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-30 23:56

>>24
How about the fact that C has no generics. I could live without ``objects'' honestly, but having to re-write a million different versions of the same data structure is shitty. Also C has no namespaces.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 0:15

How about the fact that C has no generics.
void *

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 0:35

>>24
Lacking objects
C++'s objects hardly go farther than the preprocessor they were birthed in. They are, on their own, a mere syntactic convenience. C++ doesn't have the good kind of objects.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 0:40

>>15
The only reason I don't like Pascal is how frail its semicolon rules are. Other than that, no problem.

>>24
Yes, type safety is my concern, as well as built-in ADTs since it's going to be used to build ncurses-y business app for retails. Boring maybe but that's where the money is right now for me.

I figure I throw this out for /prog/ in case there's actually is an industry super secret productive silver bullet :p

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 0:42

>>28
I forgot to mention, clients actually abhors GUIs in favor of console UIs like Curses/Turbo Vision provides. Clicking around with your mouse gets old after awhile, even for non-programmers.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 0:50

>>28
FoxPro

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 0:51

Sure, C is barebones, but is it Abelson barebones?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 1:01

>>25
C has no namespaces
So don't generate collisions then. foo_x is not so much more to type than just x, and I see sepples programmers constantly using std:: all over the place anyway. It's just not that big of an issue.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 6:18

Are people actually seriously suggesting Sepples? /prog/ what has happened to you?
>>25,32
C has a couple of namespaces, one being for regular identifiers and another for identifiers preceded with struct, enum, etc. There may be more but they're not user-definable.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 10:52

>>999-1 lets turn this thread uʍop ǝpısdn！

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 10:56

>>33
Sure C a user-undefined shit, but is it a Amelson user-undefined shit?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 12:04

Go's standard packages or whatever they're calling them are great. It's impressive how mature they are given how young the language is.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-01 17:17

>>33
Oh hey there. Remember when it was just you, me and the Sußman? Well, Sußman doesn't come 'round here no more, but he has a lot of annoying friends who do.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-02 7:27

There are no jews. Please continue with this programming-related discussion.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-02 18:44

How's Guile?

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