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Which lisp from which book?

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:08

Which is the best book on Lisp, and which Lisp should I learn?
>inb4 SICP, it only covers the basics of scheme afaik

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:12

SICP isn't a Lisp book, it's a book about CS. It's quite possible to complete SICP using any other programming language.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:13

>>2
Yeah, that's why I said that, I figured people would recommend it endlessly as always but I'm looking for a Lisp book.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:15


>>3
The Land of Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:30

javascript: the good parts

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:31

>>2
SICP isn't about "CS", nor is it possible to complete it using any language.

>>3
LoL is childish cartoony shit written by a medical doctor that can't program worth a shit.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:34

check em

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:37

LoL is childish cartoony shit written by a medical doctor that can't program worth a shit.
success breeds jealousy
ISHYGDDT

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:39

>>8
well, if you think that's a good book that tells us a lot about your lack of programming skill.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:45

>>9
LoL
confusing a skilled audience with an unskilled audience
ISHYGDDT

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 20:50

>>8-10
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Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 22:08

The Little Lisper

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 22:13

>>6
Let Over Lambda is a great book, you're just too retarded to get past the first chapter.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 22:21

>>13
you are so dumb, it's hard to believe you can use your computer.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-26 23:47

Just read gigamonkeys practical common lisp, it seems to be the default go-to book for common lisp noobs right now.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 1:04

I used Racket for SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 3:04

I am reading through OnLisp now, i think it's good.
If you are a competent programmer you shouldn't really be reading basic books anyways.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 4:14

>>1
Abelson and Sussman's SICP. Graham's On Lisp. Seibel's Practical Common Lisp.

>>13
Let Over Lambda has a few tricks but overall it's just some guy masturbating to closures and macros. Definitely not a good book to learn Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 5:07

>>18
LOL. Le LOL.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 6:14

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 6:35

>>20
This material has NOT been updated from the original 1984 text which I found it completely by accident in a tarball at this address: http://venus.deis.unical.it/manuals/llisp/index.html. There are many errors and typos, and the version of lisp (P-Lisp, which ran on the Apple II) predates commonlisp, and no longer exists. So I strongly encourage you not to actually use this to learn Lisp!

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 6:41

>>20
Just ignore that.

[sub]I'm using it as a reference for implementation, anyway.[/aub]

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 7:06

SICP is Jewish and must be burned, like Nazis burned Jewish books.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 7:08

>>22
Dear god I'm a spack
>>21
[/sub]

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 9:55

ANSI Common Lisp

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 10:23

>>23
SICP is Jewish
[citation needed]

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 11:03

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 11:19

>>27
Holy fucking shit.
Shameful suss, shameful.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 12:56

SCIP, it will teach you how to become a wizard

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 14:07

>>28
Haven't I told you Sussman is Zionist?

Also, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jerry_Sussman.jpg photo Sussman wears some Judaism relate hat.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 14:51

>>30
It's a Fez, it's the hat of the sub-organization of freemasonry, (which as you know is a kike organization) the shriners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Arabic_Order_of_the_Nobles_of_the_Mystic_Shrine

I guess I just didn't want to believe it.
Suss will have to be burned in a pyre of hardcover copies of SICP.
Scheme shall have to be disregarded henceforce as worse than shit due to its zionist involvement.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 15:11

>>30,31
Did either of you actually watch the lecture where he wore that? I'm guessing you didn't, hence the Wikipedia link instead of the original mit.edu URL.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 15:46

>>31
Ctrl-F, Jew, not found.
Ctrl-F, Israel, not found.
Ctrl-F, Jud(aism), not found

I need a reliable source on your ``le jews did sicp XD" claim, Ahmed.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 17:44

Lisp is shit.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 17:45

Ashkenazi Jews are smart. Shockingly brilliant, in general. Impressively greater in brain power than the bulk of the human population. People who can’t comprehend the easily understood data verifying high Ashkenazi IQ may not simply be anti-semitic; they must also be crippled in the math/logic zone of their inferior parietal cortex, with subsequent IQ in the ~85 range.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 17:47

>>33
In this post, we have a disinformation agent jew trying to insinuate that neither the shriners or its parent racket the freemasons are kike based.

Watch your disinformation, jew shitposter.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 18:20

>>36
Please verify the fact that freemasons and the shriners are kike based and I'll shut up, Ahmed.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 18:47

>>37
Freemasons worship King Solomon, who the JesusChrist/KarlMarx of masonry.

"Mason" part of their name references shabbos-goyim masons, who build Jewish Temple (the one Romans destroyed), because kikes despised physical work even back then.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 18:52

Still waiting, Ahmed.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 18:57

>>38
From what I've just read, religious organizations are strongly opposed to freemasonry.

Freemasonry has attracted criticism from theocratic states and organised religions for supposed competition with religion, or supposed heterodoxy within the Fraternity itself, and has long been the target of conspiracy theories, which assert Freemasonry to be an occult and evil power.

The relevant part is probably

Many Islamic anti-Masonic arguments are closely tied to both Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism, though other criticisms are made such as linking Freemasonry to Dajjal.[85][86] Some Muslim anti-Masons argue that Freemasonry promotes the interests of the Jews around the world and that one of its aims is to rebuild the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem after destroying the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Which leads me to think it's just lots of Ahmed-kuns being Ahmed-kuns: conspiracy fagstorms.

I'm wondering if /prog/ is actually Muslim.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 18:58

>>38
In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote that Freemasonry had "succumbed" to the Jews: "The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self-preservation begun by Freemasonry is then transmitted to the masses of society by the Jewish press."[319] Freemasons were sent to concentration camps as political prisoners, and forced to wear an inverted red triangle.[320] The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum believes "because many of the Freemasons who were arrested were also Jews and/or members of the political opposition, it is not known how many individuals were placed in Nazi concentration camps and/or were targeted only because they were Freemasons."[321] However, the Grand Lodge of Scotland estimates the number of Freemasons executed between 80,000 and 200,000.[233]

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:01

>>40
From what I've just read, religious organizations are strongly opposed to freemasonry.
Commies were "opposed" to freemasonry and other religions, despite using a ton of freemasonry symbolic.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:03

The Jews `meme' stopped being funny when people started taking it seriously.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:04

>>43
Shalom!

Several writers and critics (including Joseph Frank, Maxim D. Shrayer[32], Stephen Cassedy, David I. Goldstein, Gary Saul Morson, and Felix Dreizin) have offered insights and suppositions regarding Dostoyevsky’s views on Jews and organized Jewry in Russia. One view is that Dostoyevsky perceived Jewish ethnocentrism and influence to be threatening the Russian peasantry in border regions.[citation needed] In A Writer's Diary, Dostoyevsky wrote:

Thus, Jewry is thriving precisely there where the people are still ignorant, or not free, or economically backward. It is there that Jewry has a champ libre. And instead of raising, by its influence, the level of education, instead of increasing knowledge, generating economic fitness in the native population—instead of this the Jew, wherever he has settled, has still more humiliated and debauched the people; there humaneness was still more debased and the educational level fell still lower; there inescapable, inhuman misery, and with it despair, spread still more disgustingly. Ask the native population in our border regions: What is propelling the Jew—and has been propelling him for centuries? You will receive a unanimous answer: mercilessness. He has been prompted so many centuries only by pitilessness to us, only by the thirst for our sweat and blood.

And, in truth, the whole activity of the Jews in these border regions of ours consisted of rendering the native population as much as possible inescapably dependent on them, taking advantage of the local laws. They have always managed to be on friendly terms with those upon whom the people were dependent. Point to any other tribe from among Russian aliens which could rival the Jew by his dreadful influence in this connection! You will find no such tribe. In this respect the Jew preserves all his originality as compared with other Russian aliens, and of course, the reason therefore is that status of status of his, that spirit of which specifically breathes pitilessness for everything that is not Jew, with disrespect for any people and tribe, for every human creature who is not a Jew...

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:17

>>43
Ze'ev Jabotinsky quoted in an article in the late 1920s, this story of a man, who visited Moscow: "Moscow is up to 200,000 Jews, all the alien element. Take A <...> phone book and see how it is full of Pevzners, Levins, Rabinovichs and others, as said the Soviet anti-Semites, hispanic names. Phone, - this evidence of either wealth or good service provision, - lists Commissariat officers, Foreign Trade, the Supreme Economic Council, controls the trusts are full of Jewish names."

And even among the Jews circulated anecdotes testifying to the strong "semitization" of the new government:
"If at the table are six commissioners, then what is under the table? - Twelve Knees of Israel."
"Tea is sold by Vysotsky, sugar - by Brodsky, Russia belongs to Trotsky."
"There is a meeting of the CPC. Suddenly Kamenev said that he had to hastily leave. Where? In the synagogue to pray commemoration of the dead father (which requires a minimum of ten adult Jews). Then Lenin said:" Why leave? I'll go out and you can make your prayer on the spot. "

The most monstrous of all stories, Vasilevsky told, was a story about how Frenkel, now publisher in Moscow, a Rabbi in the past (and probably now, only a secret), traveling by train from St. Petersburg to Moscow. This is one of the largest sites, which feeds the now dozens of Jews in Moscow, working in the printing business. He runs inferior, but the machine-established business in the heart of Moscow, and it is always buzzing like a beehive. Yard run in the Smiths alley, running away from it, are going. It is like a cancer in the breast. It is not known where the money of one jew end and where money is another jew begin. He often travels to St. Petersburg, and it is characteristic that he is escorted by a respectful jewish crowd, obviously he is and still gives advice about "the goat". He is wise.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:20

>>45
he is and still gives advice about "the goat"

In Budapest, a man goes to the rabbi and complains, "Life is unbearable. There are nine of us living in one room. What can I do?"
The rabbi answers, "Take your goat into the room with you." The man in incredulous, but the rabbi insists. "Do as I say and come back in a week." A week later the man comes back looking more distraught than before. "We cannot stand it," he tells the rabbi. "The goat is filthy." The rabbi then tells him, "Go home and let the goat out. And come back in a week."

A radiant man returns to the rabbi a week later, exclaiming, "Life is beautiful. We enjoy every minute of it now that there's no goat -- only the nine of us."

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:27

Lisp is the most deceptively easy programming language that I know of. I could literally teach a 7 year old most of the useful syntax of Lisp in a half hour and that child would be able to read most Lisp programs even though he/she would not fully understand what the program does. Lisp is just lists of data that can be worked on by optional prefix functions. Lists are built with cons and taken apart with first and rest. Pattern matching, mapping functions, and branch statements are all easy to understand. Recursion is slightly tricky but can be explained with enough persistence. The result is that there are thousands of "Lisp programmers" who know the syntax of Lisp but cant program in Lisp. Its possible to read Lisp books and understand everything but not understand anything having to do with Lisp programming. Its not a joke to refer to Lisp as Expert Programmers because it does take a lot of expertise to program in Lisp beyond a superficial syntax level.

Much of the modern functional programming is being done by mapping functions, like calling each in Ruby:
5.each {|a| a + 2}
this looks like Smalltalk style of programming where you all calling a method of an object. What is actually going on is that you are mapping a high order function over a lambda. Blocks in Ruby can function as lambdas. This is the style of functional programming that is used in Scala, Clojure and F# and is much more concise than the recursive version of this function that you would make in Lisp or Haskell:
(def suckyrecurse (a)
cond (> a 0)
(+ (first a) (suckyrecurse (rest a)))

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:32

>>44
The Ahmed meme was never funny, by the way. Neither was the Shalom one.

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:32

>>47
wait, that function should be:
(def suckyrecurse (a)
cond (
(> a 0)
(cons (+ (cons first) 2) (suckrecurse (rest a)))

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:34

>>49
whoops, I dont actually program in Lisp, so let me get this right:
(def suckyrecurse (a)
cond (
(> a 0)
(cons (+ (first a) 2) (suckrecurse (rest a))))

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 19:59

>>48
From the speech of Professor Y.V. Klyuchnikov at a meeting in the Moscow Conservatory, December 3, 1926:
"... For the February Revolution (1917) established the equality of all citizens of Russia, including the Jews. October Revolution went further. Russian nation has shown self-denial. To create a discrepancy between the quantitative composition of the Jews in the Union and those places that in the cities temporarily occupied the Jews ...

You can see how all over Moscow tuned small booth with bread and sausage, are Jewish. Here is a source of discontent: we're here in our town, and jews come to us and embarrass us. When the Russian see how the same Russian women, children and old people are freezing to 9-11 hours on the street, get wet in the rain over the stall Mosselprom, and when they see these relatively warm Jewish stalls with bread and sausage, they have a sense of frustration ...

This phenomenon can not be overlooked. This has to be reckoned with. The inhabitants of large cities may be the feeling of a lodge, as the terrible violation of proportion and in nation-building and practical life and in other areas between the numerical composition of the Jews and the public. If it had not been enough of the housing crisis in Moscow - the mass of people crowding into the room where you can not quite live, but at the same time, you can see how Jews come from other parts of the country and take up our space. This visiting Jews ...

It's not anti-Semitism, and that the growing domestic discontent, the national lodge suspicion of other nations. At this should not be ignored. What will tell a Russian to his brother, that he will not tell to a Jew. People said that there are too many Jews in Moscow. On this count, but do not call it anti-Semitism."

Name: Anonymous 2012-09-27 21:13

>>51
It's jewish anti-gentilism, which is prevalent everywhere there is jews.

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