Python

What's /prog/'s opinion on Python?

not javascript, ie: shit

not C++, ie: shit

Its ok for domain-specific solutions, but it doesn't adequately deal with the issue of multiple inheritance out of the box.

>>4
inheritance is shit.

fioc
get out >>1-4

>>6
I've never understood what was wrong with FOIC.

>>7
>FOIC

Fuck me, you know what I meant.

It is not le Lisp!

>>7
me either, double underscore functions just seems like the right way to implement a programming language

>>10
What exactly does that have to do with FIOC again?

>>7
Lack of code density options.
Horizontal pagespace issues with nesting.
Severely inhibits obfuscatability.
And all around being a complete toy language for babbies who need their hands held on something so backwoods retardedly preliminary as indentation.
FIOC is the very essence of ENTERPRISE FAGGOTRY distilled into the world's most hilariously bad programming paradigm.

So the next time anyone has to sit there and scratch their fucking head wondering "Gee, I wonder what this ONE WORD: /THE FORCED INTENTATION OF THE CODE THREAD OVER/ business is all about", be sure to link them to this post. Preferably kill them instead, as they are a waste of post-peak resources.

>>12
rather, they should be directed to a powerful, elegant, well-designed modern language known as javascript

Severely inhibits obfuscatability.

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white space dependencies? what retard came up with that

>>15
Someone who never used shitty forum software.

>>13
“I was convinced that we needed to build-in a programming language, but the developers, Tim first, were very much opposed. It had to remain completely declarative. Maybe, but the net result is that the programming- vacuum filled itself with the most horrible kludge in the history of computing: Javascript.” -Robert Cailliau

The moral of the thread is: Every language has its HATERS.

>>14
I'm glad you felt like you were important enough to post that.
I was worried that this place was filled with nothing but ``elite veteran posters'' but I can see it's quite the contrary.

Complaining about forced indentation is like complaining about forced curly braces.

They want to use their braces and it ends up looking just like FIOC except with braces added.

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I thought I was smart and pretty decent at programming until I spent the last several days, surrounded by books, trying to learn python. Don’t get me wrong, I could easily entertain a 6-year old with my IDLE interpreter antics. I’ve even built a GUI and blah blah blah. But there is an anoying “spin” (read: lie) about the “ease of Python.” Here are the significant issues (from the standpoint of a business owner who just wants a robust and very quick solution to web and desktop applications):
1- There is virtually no documentation. This whole thread began with someone saying they couldn’t find documentation and that is the crucial problem. For those of you who disagree, look in the mirror–you’re taking for granted how much you know. And for the rest of us, it’s very very difficult to find a simple requirement like, what are the arguments i need to pass to a simple function?
2- Data Typing is not handled eloquently. It seems to be transparent at first, but unclear data types in python have led me to some very difficult to debug code (even when I seemed to explicitly type my variables).
3- Python has no GUI. Oh I know you’re going to blog that there are dozens of them from Tkinter to Qt to Wx etc. But those have crappy documentation, no matter how powerful they are. I managed to crank out a few GUI’s, but just the GUI itself took days on what would have taken less than 20 minutes in Visual Studio. (Don’t misunderstand, I despise MS World- But if you value your time as much as your money, it makes sense to use VS. I’ve already spent more on the API Python Wing and unhelpful Python books than I would have spent just buying Visual Studio outright).
4- Python is not free. You’ll spend a gazillion hours trying to figure out some documentation that would have simply popped up on the screen in VS. And the books. I’ve personally put Mark Lutz’s kids thru school with his Python books. And the web tutorials are well-intended but, for my level worthless. And don’t go off thinking I’m some lame beginner. I’ve created several very successful businesses and programmed much of the software that keeps them running at a high level.
5- Python is not intuitive. Sure you can write some apparently readable code at the interpreter. But take a bird’s eye view of some fairly simple code in the basic python modules…there’s nothing remotely readable about it. My dog can do some amusing tricks but I wouldn’t let him drive my car.

>>20
Complaining about forced indentation is like complaining about forced curly braces.
Actually, most curly-braced languages allow curly braces to be omitted in certain cases (Perl being a notable exception).

>>24
Python allows FIOC to be bypassed in a bunch of ways too.

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