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esr on LISP

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 2:06

Eric S. Raymond famously said that "LISP is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will have when you finally get it. That experience will make you a better programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use LISP itself a lot."

But Eric S. Raymond is a BAD programmer.  Therefore, this quote must be considered a falsehood.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 3:48

Eric S. Raymond is a BAD programmer
[citation needed], ``faggot''

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 3:54

esr is a bad programmer and an idiot. What has he ever created? All he did was wrote some stupid ass book that he thinks started the open source movement even though it was written after the movement began.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 4:26

>>1
Call ad hominem bro

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 6:12

I liked his fetchmail kernel module. "pop3 access has never been faster!"

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 8:33

>>1
You don't understand, homie. Imagine seeing an argument about programming. So you quietly smile and interject: "I know Lisp, and as a better programmer I think such and such is the right way of doing things". Flawless victory. If anyone objects just tell them

That experience will make you a better programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use LISP itself a lot.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 8:45

The problem with his statement is it's largely subjective. There is no telling how much a particular programmer will benefit from Lisp (if at all). And there isn't just one way to become a better programmer.

Obvious, but needed to be pointed out.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 9:07

X said or did Y.
X is bad.
Therefore Y is bad.

No. Logic doesn't work that way. Just because you can make a correlation by abduction, doesn't mean anything more than a possible relevance - it's meant to grab your attention, to make you investigate, not to lead you to a logical conclusion. This sort of "logic" is magical thinking at its best, it arises when people confuse association with implication (association is built-in in our neural networks and doesn't have to be learned, but logic has to be learned, although most people tend to learn it quite early on, naturally, but not all are using it all the time as it require more conscious effort, hence magical thinking, or in this case, the particular "ad hominem" argument).

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 11:34

>>8
If most of what X does is bad, then there is a good chance that Y is bad.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-27 11:38

>>9
That is why people hate all jews, even when some jews haven't done bad.

Name: Dubs Guy 2012-03-17 15:49

DUBS, DUBS EVERYWHERE!

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-17 16:36

>>9
X could happen to be correct on Y, but provide faulty justification for why Y is good. X's statements about Y has nothing to do with what Y actually is.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-18 3:19

esr sucks but lisp is still good. dont be one of those codemonkeys that grows old and finds out that everything he knows has gone obsolete. learn new things, especially timeless ideas like anus

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