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Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 14:25

my awesome wife just gave birth to an awesome baby. i'm thinking about starting here early on the computer.

are there any PL written for toddlers?

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 14:27

Python, it's a toy language.

Name: VIPPER 2011-10-30 14:28

>>1
2D women arent real and dolls are not toddlers, shithead.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 14:29

Common Lisp, tell em about the conses that live within the machine and how you can conjure the spirits of the computer using spells. Fascinating!

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 15:34

>>3
yes they are pipper now go fuck yourself

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 16:27

If you mean is there a PL for people who can't read, write, talk or use a computer, then probably not, so focus on teaching her those things first. For children there are languages like Scratch and Logo. In practice, those languages are only used for a few weeks before moving on to something like Scheme. Squeak is made for children but it's horrible. I personally don't see the benefit of languages for children. It's not unheard of for people to start using "real" languages at a very young age.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 16:30

>>6
The only real language is Lisp. All other are domain specific toys.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 16:31

Just wait until it's 12, then teach it how to write an ANSI C1X compiler.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 16:57

>>7
lisp is fucking shit

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 16:58

Relevant to my interests. Considering teaching my son Alice or Scratch once he's old enough. Then I'll wean him onto FIOC, then C, then Scheme and BBCODE.

If /prog/ is still around in 10-20 years, look out for him!

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 16:58

i did my first fortran compiler when i was 11
with cat lex and bison how fuckin' cool am i?

Name: VIPPER 2011-10-30 17:01

Where is the rape guy when you need him?

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 17:28

I learned C when I was pretty young. My dad showed my the magical


#include<stdio.h>

void main()
{

...

}


template, printf with only strings, scanf for reading numbers, if and goto. I then programmed with those techniques alone, never using any functions for several years, and I ended up making a couple primitive dos graphics game stuff that used lots of global arrays later on. I remember trying to make a monopoly game that would handle every single possible state of the game with hard coded gotos. I gave up after a month I think.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 18:09

I learned Lisp when I was pretty young. My dad showed my the magical


(cdr (car (cons (cons a b) c)))

template, terpri with only newlines, read for reading numbers, if and lambda. I then programmed with those techniques alone, never using any functions for several years, and I ended up making a couple advanced theorem proving stuff that used lots of tiny closures later on. I remember trying to make a universe simulation program that would handle every single possible quantum state of the quanta with hard coded lambdas. I succeeded after a month I think.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 18:13

>>13
Your father never loved you.

>>14
Your father will always love you.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-30 20:23

>>13-15
VIP Quality posts.

Name: >>14 2011-10-30 21:06

>>15-16
It's ironic because I am the main ``lisp is shit'' guy.  I still think it's a great language that should be the output of a syntax transformer and not directly written as-is (yeah, I'm also the guy who complains about its lack of visual cues)

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 4:43

>>17
you're a fucking idiot

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 5:56

>>18
Yes, I seem to get that quite often around here.  No worries though, I don't take it to heart.  I'm just sad and lonely in my belief that Lisp is a great thing, and would be such a greater thing if compounded with a proper syntax.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 6:25

>>19
Well say HELLLLOOOOOOO to ECMA

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 6:31

>>20
You must have missed the word proper in my post.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 7:03

>>19
Define ,,proper syntax''.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 7:06

>>22
Define ,,Eastern-European quotes''.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 8:26

>>19
I like Scheme and others like Clojure. I'm not sure what you mean by proper syntax.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-31 12:59

>>24
He means curly braces and semicolons.

If I could change Scheme's syntax, I would simple change () to [].

[define [fact n]
  [if [<= n 1]
    1
    [* n [fact [- n 1]]]]]


That looks better to me and square brackets can be typed without hitting shift.

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