/prog/ - LISP machines

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 5:57

... And why you aren't using any.

Explain yourselves.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 5:59

>>1

But mom, do I have to?

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 6:02

>>1
I do use a soroban.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 6:03

They stopped evolving in the first half of the 90s.
If they somehow resurrected now, I'd definitely buy one.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 6:04

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Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 6:24

I'm quite happy with my ARM machines, thank you very much.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 6:25

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Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 7:05

Can GNU/Emacs/SLIME/sbcl be considered a LISP machine?

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 7:23

>>8
Can NES emulators can be considered NES machines?

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 7:24

>>9
Yes. Just as the JVM can be considered a Java machine.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 8:05

>>8
No. They inherit all the nuances of underlaying OS. You can't just work with file as with list, you have to manually open it, then close, all remembering to check it existence and access rights.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 8:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsKKy0x9Cs

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 8:16

>>11
PDP-7, where Unix was created, had no memory manager unit, so Unix requires loading file blocks manually.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 10:39

I'm using Emacs/SLIME/Paredit/Redshank+SBCL/ClozureCL/CLISP.
I tried out OpenGenera (Lisp Machine OS), and it was quite wonderful, but there were a few bugs in the emulator and setting up the keyboard layout proved a bit painful, so I haven't actually tried doing any serious developing in it, however I did like what I saw quite a lot. I've also tried some of the older Lisp OSes that have emulators available for them. I've seen some of the ideas from OpenGenera ported to SLIME and some CLIM implementations - it's not quite the same, but it's not bad either. I wouldn't mind playing around with OpenGenera some more, but frankly I would prefer to see either a new Lisp OS or an OpenGenera-like port for more modern hardware. Another thing that I really liked about Genera - they really know how to write and manage their documentation.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 10:50

It's kind of hard to appreciate the differences (between Zmacs and Emacs) from reading a description. It's even hard to appreciate it from using Zmacs. Where the light dawns is when you've been using Zmacs for a while and go back to using plain old Emacs.

What, you mean there's no keystroke to bring up a list of every change I've made in every file on the box? What, you mean there's code on the box whose source I can't pop up with a keystroke? What, you mean I have to run some sort of tags program on source files before I can find definitions? What, you mean there's code on the box that isn't cross-referenced? What, you mean there's running code on the box whose source I can't step into? What, you mean I can't insert references to objects on the screen into my code just by clicking the screen objects?

Zmacs is tightly integrated with Genera, and it's Lisp all the way down to the microcode. Emacs is great, don't get me wrong, but it's at a different remove from the system.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 10:56

>>15
Nice kopipe.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-23 11:02

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp

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