If you were at a conference where all the speakers are female and 97% of the attendees are also female, would you get offended because the speaker uses female pronouns all the time?
No, unless they were adressing someone using the wrong pronoun when talking to them directly (as opposed to a general audience).
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Anonymous2011-09-22 18:35
Sorry but the default gender pronoun in English is "he". Get the fuck over it.
Romance languages assign everything a gender, and no one gets their panties in a wad over it like the feminist asswipes here in the States do over pronoun usage.
if we approach this from the perspective of saying "How do we make this just awesome for end users" then we'll have less trouble explaining to girls what we actually do."
If this was a knitting conference (or insert any activity that is female dominated, I don't know if ``knitting'' would be the appropriate term, but it matters not, just insert what you'd find appropriate), I don't think males would be offended if that was written as "we'll have less trouble explaining to guys what we actually do".
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Anonymous2011-09-22 18:39
Gimli said it himself, dwarven women look just like men, not my fault if some hambeast gets mistaken for a man.
Great, now you'll bring the losers from both sides of the misogyny and feminism divide to come and have their unscientific and ultimately destructive ``arguments'' here on /prog/.
but i want to do IT, not deal with emotional shit. if feminists are going to SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING every time someone says ``KDE guys'' i think they should go do something else.
code > feelings
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Anonymous2011-09-22 19:11
I would like to make the obvious statement that if he says "gnome girls" etc. it would sound stupid. And "gnome people" would make it sound like he was distancing himself from the "gnome guys". Also "guys" can be considered to be inclusive of both sexes in contexts like "gnome guys". Also get over yourself feminists. There are much worse problems for you to worry yourself about (And yes, I am consciously making this argument because this is such a ridiculously stupid thing to complain about).
The topics of his keynote are Cadence, Quality, Design. Mr. Shuttleworth is a real visionary who can see the big picture and the long-term view, and the rare ability to put his ideas into action, and to inspire and motivate other people.
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Anonymous2011-09-22 20:39
>career where >95% of people who do the job are male
>implying every person who he's ever probably worked with wasn't female
>implying women are even closely represented 1:1 in any major tech field, i.e networking, system administration, system layout, hardware design, software design, the list goes on
If you were at a conference where all the speakers are female and 97% of the attendees are also female, would you get offended because the speaker uses female pronouns all the time?
I don't go to Tupperware parties. Now, if I was that much a faggot, I think I wouldn't mind if I were referred to as ``she'' at this point.
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Anonymous2011-09-22 21:11
I was always pretty sure that the whole Ubuntu thing would eventually lead to nowhere.
>Well, maybe so, but even nice guys have their blind spots.
- and you don't even have to wonder! IMHO this quote also reveals the nature of girlie gamers (aka lesbians), too
All in all it's very entertaining to watch people corrupting each other who still say they are making collaborative effort. A thousand times better than TV.
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There is no Czechoslovakia anymore. It really bugs me when people talk of Czechoslovakia. It's Czech Republic and Slovak Republic since 1st of January 1993. Please remember that.
And, indeed, during the days of communism, there was no feminism. Everyone was (supposed to be) equal, so there was no place for radical women desiring the rule over men. It was against the doctrine of state, not just social norms.
It is much worse now. Feminism is running rampart even here.
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Anonymous2012-03-21 13:32
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you mean sexist hypocritical feminism or just common sense sexual egalitarianism?
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Feminism is egalitarian in principle (and sex doesn't cut it as a classifier, BTW). But still, most feminists I see online now would never call out discrimination or mistreatment towards men because lolprivelege hurr durr.
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Anonymous2012-03-21 13:57
>>28 Feminism is egalitarian in principle (and sex doesn't cut it as a classifier, BTW).
If it's indeed broader than just sex, then it's called socialism or just egalitarianism. Why come up with a new word for it?
But still, most feminists I see online now would never call out discrimination or mistreatment towards men because lolprivelege hurr durr.
That's part of the hypocrisy I was referring to. In fact, simply the usage of the term ``privilege'' creates a victim-vs-aggressor kind of situation, suggesting that it's okay to try to ``balance out'' the inequality by ``punishing'' the ``aggressors''. Which is the same as oppressing an entire group for the behaviour of a few. Which is an excellent example of discrimination.
Feminism is a sicko cult of rape. Its adepts fantasize about male domination in an increasingly matriarchal society, which makes them rather irrational and annoying folks, and very difficult to deal with. Most of them struggle with even basic politeness.
>>29 If it's indeed broader than just sex, then it's called socialism or just egalitarianism. Why come up with a new word for it?
I mean that even in the same scope that you are imagining, what goes in between your legs isn't the only, or even prime, factor. It's the whole notion of gender, as a social construct. Now, before anyone objects on fuzzyness grounds, I welcome you to google how many combinations of chromosomes and expressions of their genes affect ``sex'' in the first place (hint: google AIS women).
And I'd agree on the socialism point. Egalitarianism I have never heard as a serious movement, but I find it quite a bit retarded that feminists seek to place women and men ``equally represented'' on all levels of hierarchy, disregarding the obvious root cause.
>>32 It's the whole notion of gender, as a social construct. Now, before anyone objects on fuzzyness grounds, I welcome you to google how many combinations of chromosomes and expressions of their genes affect ``sex'' in the first place (hint: google AIS women).
No reason why everyone shouldn't be treated the same. Feminists didn't invent the notion that everyone should be gender-blind on everything except for sexuality, it's actually just common sense. It's true, people's brain pattern matching will always trigger when they encounter someone who isn't in the usual {boy, girl} set, but they're quite free to ignore it. One's gender doesn't concern you at least until you get to the bedroom with them, so I doubt that should be an issue most of the time.
Egalitarianism I have never heard as a serious movement, but I find it quite a bit retarded that feminists seek to place women and men ``equally represented'' on all levels of hierarchy, disregarding the obvious root cause.
Socialism or egalitarianism both imply gender-blindness in everything (except sexuality). Last time I checked my doubles, socialism didn't try to fight discrimination and inequality with more discrimination and inequality; by definition I'm a socialist, but I'd never associate myself with a movement that doesn't shy away from immorality, discrimination and unfairness, all while pretending to fight all of those.
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I would be offended to be at an Ubuntu conference no matter what gender the attendees are because Ubuntu is Debian with added pro-nigger shit.
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Anonymous2012-03-24 4:50
>>38 Tagged under:racistfunnyironicdiscriminatoryelitistposts that contain the word NIGGER
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Anonymous2012-03-24 6:24
In this talk the subtext is crystal clear- guys are all those awesome brilliant software developers and tech gurus, girls, moms, and grandmas are the adoring helpless end users who totally rely on the brilliant guy gurus.
That's exactly what I see around me.
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Anonymous2012-08-30 4:52
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Statistics can't be used to produce absolute statements about a population. Also, very likely confirmation bias.
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Anonymous2012-08-30 5:42
I wanted to post here some other threads I made about this and feminism in tech, but I can't recognize which threads/posts are mine anymore even though I only posted them a year ago.
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Anonymous2012-08-30 6:01
Wow. I'd love to know what happened to Mark Shuttleworth to make him hate woman so much.