/prog/ - Python v. Scheme

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:00

I'm taking prog I in the fall, it's Python-based. Would I be well-served to start SICP and learn Scheme in the meantime? Also what's with the anti-lisp-itry, I haven't been on /prog/ in a couple weeks and when I left no one was declaring lisp a cancer.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:04

are you aware of the concept of trolls trolling trolls?

anyway, Python isn't a good beginner language. Scheme and C are undoubtedly the first languages you should learn.

Python is mostly geared toward programmers who have certain techniques they like. The design of Python is very "me too!" which isn't really helpful for someone who doesn't have any ingrained habits of thinking about programs yet.

At the same time, C and Scheme will make you form some really powerful habits of thinking.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:05

Would I be well-served to start SICP and learn Scheme in the meantime?

Yes.

I haven't been on /prog/ in a couple weeks and when I left no one was declaring lisp a cancer.
It's the current fad.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:06

I'm not trolling when I say that Lisp is a fuckawful language.

Name: nambla_dot_org_rules_you 2011-07-02 16:06

So like I just got done spanking it while wearing my moms pantyhose.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:08

You're gentlemen and scholars, thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:11

>>2
and C
As a first language? Are you retarded? >>1 is brain damaged enough to even consider Python, leave alone learning C before assembly.

Name: >>7 2011-07-02 16:12

Disregard that, I haven't read >>1.
Sorry >>1, I'm a faggot.

C is still bad as first language.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:14

also keep in mind that Scheme and Common Lisp are as different from one another as, say, C and Java. The only thing they share really is syntax and some basic capabilities like lambda and arithmetic and list processing.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:16

>>2
Python is mostly geared toward programmers who have certain techniques they like

You're a fucking idiot. Go back to serving your hourly paying job you fucking non programming monkey.

Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-07-02 16:16

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>>8
<-- check my doubles

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:17

>>10
too bad phyton ith for fucking faggotth

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:25

>>10

do you seriously think Python is a well designed, orthogonal language with something important to say about language design and not just a hodgepodge of language features slapped behind a pretty syntax?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:30

C is better for beginners than any asm because it's universal.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:37

>>13
I say it's passable since I've written a shitload of smartphone applications using Python.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:47

>>12
stop trying to make me look stupid

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 17:03

>>16
too bad youre a fucking faggot

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 17:07

>>17
fuck you nigger fagstorm

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 17:20

>>2
At the same time, C and Scheme will make you form some really powerful habits of thinking.
Like what?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 17:25

i yearn for the day python drops closures

this functional shit needs to get out of my language

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 19:57

>>20
fuck you phython faggot

Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-07-02 19:58

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>>17
<-- check my doubles

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 20:02

>>20

I think it should also get rid of GC. Fucking faggot Lisp shit.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 20:59

>>23
definitely. it did just fine when it only had reference counting

then all these ``faggots'' whined about cycles

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 21:12

>>23
>>24
fuck you fiocfagth

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 21:15

Check the MIT 6.01 class OP. It's like SICP but with FIOC.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 22:48

>>26
thuck a cock thtupid phython faggot

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 23:31

>>20,23
Lisp hater here. I'm not this faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 23:49

`Faggot' this, x vs. y that...when did this place turn into /g/?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 23:51

Op returns here. Disregarding some of the bullshit in this thread, is the MIT EE/CS OCW pretty solid? I've been using it for 6.001, just curious if the rest of it is reliable enough to use as a significant (if not primary) resource for learning. My inclination is to say yes, but I have shit for experience so anyone wanting to corroborate would be nice.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 3:06

>>15
that doesn't make it educationally interesting or important. Scheme is.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 4:33

>>26
cant find it :(

Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-07-03 4:33

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>>32
<-- check 'em

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 9:04

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-01-introduction-to-electrical-engineering-and-computer-science-i-fall-2009/

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 17:43

>>1
The best course of action is to ignore all the advice given in this thread, including this post.

Python v. Scheme

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2 Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:04

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5 Name: nambla_dot_org_rules_you 2011-07-02 16:06

6 Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:08

7 Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:11

8 Name: >>7 2011-07-02 16:12

9 Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 16:14

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11 Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-07-02 16:16

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