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Mensa

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 15:45

I scored high enough on an official IQ test (as in, from a clinical psychologist who tested me professionally in person, not some illegitimate online test) to get accepted into Mensa. Should I do it? Some people love it, others claim that it's just a bunch of pretentious cunts playing board games and bragging about how smart they are. What do you think? What have your experiences in Mensa been like?

Being smart autists, I figure that at least some of you might know what Mensa is like. I would appreciate any and all serious insight.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 15:48

Do it if you want to, see what it's like, stop caring what other people think.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 15:53

do it u get freet in some schools from the school fees u have something u can write in u vita and most importen u can brag with it

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 15:56

>>3
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IHBT

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 15:56

did u write it in /prog/ cose u was thinking the chongse would be higher to find some one with a high enugh iq here? ololoolloolololololololol

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 16:02

chongse
gb2 sb&hj bro

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 16:21

>>1
Mensa is a way to strip idiots of their money. The only one who has high IQ there is the organizator of Mensa, who gets all your membership money.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 16:45

>>7
Membership costs money? Wow, then being a Mensa member actually means you're really stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-27 19:40

>>1
being autists, I figure you would spend a lot of time hanging out at social clubs
nice reasoning there chief

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 3:39

>>7
this.

/thread

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 4:03

>>8
There's a layer of the human population that joins honours societies etc. for much the same reason. Mensa is merely one of those, but based on IQ and not grades. They have no purpose except to facilitate the grouping of like-minded individuals, just like Rotary International or the modern Freemasons, and have no relevance in the real world unless you're chin-deep in the business culture of Good Old Boys.

They'll probably die out in a few more generations, or at least be reduced to Facehug groups, which is all that they should be.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 4:13

Also, these like-minded individuals are obsessed with status and having more of it. They're generally the sort of people who seem mildly uncomfortable when they hear the vapid platitude "money can't buy happiness."

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 4:46

>>12
"money can't buy happiness."
Tell this to a homeless person.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 8:11

面鎖

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 11:37

Here's a useful table (sigma=15):

IQ                  Ideal group of peers
<55                 Euthanasia facility–beast-like, unable to cope with any form of societal structure or logic.
55–70               Zoo, chimpanzee community—severely retarded with primitive social tendencies; able to use tools.
70–85               Worship place—unable to reason without external influences but highly social; capable of the rudiments of abstraction.
85–115              Facebook, twitter, digg, reddit—majority of the world's population... Able to gain from the experience of others. Mild abstraction abilities.
115–130             Hacker News, Mensa, /prog/, Stack Overflow—sharing knowledge and ridiculing lesser lifeforms gives an inflated sense of satisfaction that helps to cope with the ability to ask interesting questions and the inability to answer them.
130—145             Academia. Most proficient scientists fall here.
160–175             Mega, Glia, Pi and other High IQ Societies—Highly intelligent, capable of profound abstraction and with a knack to solve difficult puzzles as an act of mental masturbation; usually polyglots, and polymaths.
>175                Seclusion—most peers would give the intellectual satisfaction of a pet.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 12:25

Menses society.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 12:46

>>13
Freedom is true happiness.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 13:05

>>15 mensa´s minimum is 131

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 15:11

IQ                  Ideal group of peers
<55                 Niggers
55–70               Spics/Most Females
70–85               White Trash
85–115              Standard
115–130             Annoying
130—145             Mildly autistic
160–175             Majorly autistic
>175                "Spergistically" autistic

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 15:24


IQ                  Ideal group of peers
>115                People who can use bbcode-tags

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 18:11

The Jews are after me

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 18:45

>>1
Hey OP, if you're serious, skip Mensa. It's a waste of your time and does not maximize your potential marginal impact on society. A better use of your time would be to hang out on http://lesswrong.org or contribute to http://opencog.org/

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 19:49

>>22
high IQ
writing AI in C/C++
you must be joking.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:00

>>23
LOL BCUS LISP OWNZ AI AMMIRIGT *HIFIEV&

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:12

>>23
Lisp is dead, even among AI researchers. In fact, it could be said that Lisp was solely responsible for the high expectations that never materialized during the Era of Great Expectations in the 50s and 60s, and ending with The Great AI Winter. And that has to do with the fact the Lisp community is highly fractured.

OpenCog is written in C/C++ and OpenCL, and while these language choices are perhaps not as a "productive" as a functional languages in the short term, offer far more potential for heterogeneous computing and low-level close-to-the-metal performance tuning, while still offering suitable third-party abstractions for concurrency and parallelism, and having the most mature compiler tool chains on the planet out of any language.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:29

I BANGED YOUR MENSA MOM, SHE COULD ONLY SAY "HARDER"

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:37

>>25
X86 Assembly offers far more potential for heterogeneous computing and low-level close-to-the-metal performance tuning, while still offering suitable third-party abstractions for concurrency and parallelism, and having the most mature compiler tool chains on the planet out of any language.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:41

>>27
>X86 Assembly offers far more potential for heterogeneous computing
I don't think you know what heterogeneous computing means. It means you have different types of specialized processors running in the same system.

OpenCL allows heterogeneous computing, allowing low-level vectorized and highly parallel code to be retargeted and run on on multiple processors simultaneously, whether they be general purpose CPU cores, DSPs, GPUs, or FPGAs.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:54

>>28
What prevents rewriting OpenCL in Lisp?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 20:59

>>29
OpenCL is C99 with builtin functions that map directly to SIMD instruction sets and image-sampling gate array hardware, which implies a non-uniform memory architecture (NUMA). Lisp's garbage collection would only get the way.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:00

>>30
What prevents using unsafe memory access?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:02

>>31
Programmer skill.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:02

>>30
which implies a non-uniform memory architecture (NUMA).
what prevents using message passing architecture instead?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:03

>>33
Message passing is slow.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:04

>>33
Does message passing support SIMT/SIMD programming?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:05

>>32
Doesn't C/C++ require a "programmer skill"?
Can your mom code C/C++?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:06

>>35
Why not?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:07

>>34
Why?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:10

>>36
No. Can your mom code in Lisp?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:11

>>38
Because something invariably must facilitate the passing of messages.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:12

>>39
Can your mom code in Lisp?
Yes. My mom often conses shopping and todo lists.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:12

>>40
What facilitates non-uniform memory access?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 21:35

>>42
The hardware facilitates it and provides fundamental high-performance hardware interfaces for accessing memory from different types of buffers, and OpenCL and provides a very thin software abstraction over top of this.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 22:12

Hey OP, using your superior intellect and autism, I would ignore Mensa and focus on becoming a Tetris Champion like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_tmFUWu9bI

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-28 23:12

>>43
What prevents producing hardware for message passing?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 3:57

>>18
You would obviously be a happy Mensa customer. Think a little harder.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 11:23

I was invited to join but seriously ...

Who wants to listen to a bunch of fucking neckbeards whine about their lack of social graces.

The other favorite topic for whining is how People Like Us should be in charge since we know so much better. Instead of cleaning toilets on the night shift, even.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 11:52

Who wants to listen to a bunch of fucking neckbeards whine about their lack of social graces.
Then what are you doing on /prog/?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 12:21

>>30
OK, this is highly retarded. First, nothing prevents me to rewrite it in Lisp. Second, C is not low level. Third, if it was you wouldn't be able to do low-level optimizations. Fourth, there are real time GCs.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 12:26

>>49
You have bitch tits.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 16:54

>>49
Fourth, there are real time GCs.
You can't use GC in massively parallel systems (the ones, that can do fuzzy pattern-matching really fast), where you have gigantic message passing grid of simple processing elements, each with only a few bits of ram, enough to hold it's pattern state.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 16:56

>>51
And you can't use C/C++ there either.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 17:18

>>51
You also can't use apostrophes correctly either.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 17:21

>>52
Yes you can, people are using C/C++ on those massively parallel super computers with like 512-1024 CPU cores per compute node/rack, with near linear scaling.

The problem with garbage collection and even real-time garbage collection is that there is a single global heap for the entire process/program. A single heap implies write sharing among threads. Anytime a thread needs some memory, it has to allocate it from the global heap, and it will be competing against other threads attempting to acquire the global heap lock.

Garbage collected languages like Lisp or Java have a global heap built right into the language requirements. You can't ignore it.

With C and C++, the global heap and free store are not a part of the language itself, but rather a part of the standard libraries, and therefore if you do not use malloc or the global new operator, you don't pay the consequences.

C and C++ allow you to implement your own efficient and scalable memory allocators with different properties--hence you can achieve near perfect scaling, even in non-uniform memory architectures where each compute node has it's own local pool of RAM.

Not possible in Lisp or Java or other garbage collected languages.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 17:24

>>52
So how come PS3 programmers using C/C++ to program the Cell's SPEs which each have their own DMA channels and register files, which is pretty close to what >>51 described.

You don't know anything, as >>54 has pointed out.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 17:26

>>53
wat

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 17:29

>>55
You also use C or C++ to program the secondary ARM Cortex M4 DSPs and coordinate DMA transfers on the upcoming OMAP5 ARM Cortex A15 SoC.

C and C++ are quite versatile languages.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 18:36

>>54
massively parallel super computers
512-1024 CPU cores
You must be kidding. "massively parallel" means that machine has billions of simple processing elements. Basically, every arithmetic operator in your program gets it's own core.

>>55
PS3 is traditional von Neumann architecture.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 18:55

>>57
use C or C++ to program ARM
ARM is useless for anything other than cell phones.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 19:00

inb4 someone posts an inline asm lisp DSL to troll >>1-1000

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 20:00

>>54
single global heap
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.. Sweeping generalizations everywhere

What prevents a garbage collected language to have a GC process per thread, and use a single global free list? Just the way all other per-thread heap languages do it

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 20:20

>>58
You must be kidding. "massively parallel" means that machine has billions of simple processing elements. Basically, every arithmetic operator in your program gets it's own core.

Wow, you sure are fucking retarded. I said 512-1024 CPU cores per compute node/rack. It just goes to show that you don't even FUCKING understand the general topology of modern super computers. In essence, they are massive clusters of compute nodes networked together with things like ethernet or a faster custom inter-connect. Each compute node consists of multiple blades or racks, upon which are multiple CPUs in SMP configuration, and each CPU itself may have multiple cores. Sometimes there are even GPUs on the racks. Each compute node may consist of only 512-1024 CPU cores with shared memory using a custom inter-connect. But there are many hundreds or perhaps thousands of such nodes that comprise a single super computer, and thus tens or hundreds of thousands of cores total!

>>61
>What prevents a garbage collected language to have a GC process per thread, and use a single global free list? Just the way all other per-thread heap languages do it.

Umm, no. That's not how you do it in C/C++. You do not use a single global free list. Generally, you keep allocations AND deallocations inside a thread so there is no synchronization or write-sharing, which kills performance. Not possible with garbage collectors. Why? Because there may be cross-thread object dependencies if an object in one thread holds a reference to another object in another thread, and so you have to freeze the entire process to analyze the dependency graph and make sure you collect only those objects which are truly garbage. In real-time garbage collectors, an incremental algorithm is employed to collect only as many objects as it can within a fixed time-slice, with strong constraints on time, and the GC is run more periodically dependent on memory pressure.

Per-thread GC heaps don't fix this, yeah you can allocate from per-thread heaps, but the dependency analysis during GC must be process wide. And so a per-thread GC process doesn't really make sense, although per-thread GC allocation heaps could work. You're still fucked.

Also, enjoy your poor cache locality. Cache-aware allocators are far superior, and garbage collected languages just don't impart enough information at time of object allocation in common languages to support this.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 20:27

>>62
lol u buttmad

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 20:29

>>62
Each compute node may consist of only 512-1024 CPU cores with shared memory using a custom inter-connect.
This is a childish number. Compare it to number of cells in human brain, all working in parallel.

It just goes to show that you don't even FUCKING understand the general topology of modern super computers.
I were talking about "massively parallel" architectures, like Connection Machine, not your "modern super computers".

In essence, they are massive clusters of compute nodes networked together with things like ethernet or a faster custom inter-connect.
This is traditional inefficient von Neumann shit.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 21:13

>>64
IHBT

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 22:30

>>65
you are just wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 22:35

>>65
I think it's a matter of definition. We can all be annoyed that we haven't reached the physically possible ``massively parallel architectures'' which sport billions to trillions of very simple processing units. If we would have reached that, some form of AGI would most likely have emerged by now, not to mention how faster certain physical simulations would become. "Supercomputers" of thousands of CPUs are good for certain tasks, but they are terribly wasteful in both time and energy cost.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-29 22:55

>>67
x86 is pretty wasteful, being optimized for single-threaded execution with shared memory.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 10:37

>>54,62
Wow, you sure are retarded.
So, you just let threads access non-atomically shared objects in C/C++?
Do you really think that you're not going to use a specialized GC and sufficiently smart compiler? (yes, the same kind of compiler that makes your C/C++ code go vroom vroom)
analyze the dependency graph and make sure you collect only those objects which are truly garbage.
Your allocator doesn't handle sharing? Enjoy randomly dereferencing null pointers.
You use smart pointers with refcounting? Enjoy your cyclic references.
You don't share? Neither do I, and my sufficiently smart GC and compiler will know.
You use the stack for locals? So does my compiler, thank you.
You have some magical bit set to mark an object as ``local''? (gc:mark-as-local! obj)
You deallocate in-place? (gc:mark-as-dead! obj), it would bump the object's collection priority. Also, enjoy randomly dereferencing null pointers.
You have something else? Nothing that a specialized GC and a little of exposed GC API can't do.
Garbage collected languages like Lisp or Java have a global heap built right into the language requirements. You can't ignore it.
Which chapter of the ANSI Common Lisp Standard specifies the garbage collector? I can't find it. R5RS says nothing, and neither do R6RS and R7RS.
I can't find it in the Java Language Specification, Third Edition, too.
This means you can do what the fuck you want in your implementation: you can use a GC, you can expose whatever allocator API you want, you can just use the stack (if any), you can leak memory, and your implementation will still be conformant.
Thus, how can I ignore something that's not even specified?
Also, enjoy your poor cache locality.
Small heaps can be small enough to fit into the processor's cache. But you clearly live thinking that GCs still use a slow mark-and-copy, with a big, unique global heap traversed every time you need to collect some garbage.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 11:48

>>69
You use smart pointers with refcounting?
smart pointers are fucking slow, compared to GC.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 12:14

>>69
sufficiently smart compiler
bahahahaha

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 12:23

>>71
bahahahaha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 12:32

>>72
WOW THANKS I SURE DID LEARN SOMETHING TODAY

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 14:22

>>70
proof?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 15:00

>>74
malloc and reference counting are slow for many small objects, like cons-pairs

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 15:23

>>74
http://www.nambla.org

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 15:29

I got tested at 176 and am not autistic.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 15:32

>>77
yes, yes you are

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 17:17

>>70
Indeed they are. GCs being slow is just a myth.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 17:32

>>79,70
okay am I being trolled here?

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 17:42

>>80
No, you aren't.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 21:13

Garbage collection is training wheels for underachieving autists.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-30 21:50

The jews are after me.

Name: Anonymous 2011-05-31 17:00

>>1

I had the opportunity to join (I guess I still could), but I didn't see a point to it. I like puzzles, but I can find plenty of those without Mensa (besides, IIRC Mensa loves word puzzles, and I prefer spatial puzzles). I don't need peers, and I've gotten so used to being alone that I enjoy it, so a social group wouldn't buy me much.

I've read things written by Mensa members, and they always come off as shallow and pretentious. Their understanding of the various topics they philosophize about appear fairly superficial, and seem to be governed by the "popular science" genre of books. I guess when you've been told that you're smart, and that everyone else around you is smart, you have to rush to say things perceived as "smart" to help you fit in (and thus don't have the time to internalize them and, you know, actually think about them). If you are the type of person who finds Douglas Hofstadter fascinating, programs in Haskell because you think it makes you a math genius or constantly asks questions in class that you already know the answer to (to impress the teacher), Mensa will probably be a good fit for you.

If you don't care about the puzzles or the social interaction, it's really just a club full of people who sit around  masturbating themselves over how smart they are. I've seen little action taken towards helping gifted people succeed. It's easier just to reassure yourself that you're "smart enough to do anything you want, if only you cared enough to do it." That's the illness I've had to spend most of my life curing, and I'm fairly certain I'd relapse if I allowed myself to join Mensa, so I don't plan on going anywhere near it.

Then again, maybe joining Mensa will boost your enthusiasm and give the motivation to do something great. It's up to you to decide.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 3:38

U MENSA HASS KAL

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 4:45

>>84
And if find SICP fascinating, program in Lisp because I think it makes my ideas easy to express and maintain and constantly ask questions on forums about the best of all possible programming languages (to direct discussion into Lisp), what will be a good for me?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 13:18

MORE LIKE
MENSES
AMIRITE LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZzz!!11oNE!!1ONE1!

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 21:57

>>84
If you are the type of person who finds Douglas Hofstadter fascinating

That's the guy who wrote "Gödel, Escher, Bach", right?
I've heard that it's supposed to be a really cool book, would you like to elaborate further on that point?

I understand your second, latter points.

Too bad, I actually thought that Mensa would be a little more than cirkle-jerking.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 6:21

>>86
Then you have reached your final destination, stay on /prog/.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 6:58

The self-outed Mensa members that I do know name drop their affiliation at every possible opportunity and are generally quite obnoxious. Kind of, "I'm always the smartest guy in the room, and if you don't believe it, just ask me" style people.

I'll never forget back in the 1982 at a computer club meeting when the single Mensa member of our club declared that the IBM PC was a totally worthless object and had no future because when you first turned it on and got a cursor on the screen, and you typed in:

1 A$="HELLO"
2 PRINT A$

RUN

...you got error messages every time you hit ENTER, since you were in the operating system and not BASIC. Being a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 1 owner, he vocally asserted that he'd discovered a major bug the first time he sat down at a PC.

I always think of that guy when the subject of Mensa comes up.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 7:08

>>90
I'll never forget back in the 1982 at a computer club meeting
Woah, what are you doing on /prog/, old man?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 10:02

>>88
I've heard that it's supposed to be a really cool book, would you like to elaborate further on that point?
It's like xkcd in book form.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 10:10

So, if I understand this thread correctly, Mensa members think they're smarter than they really are, and garbage collectors just plain suck.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 11:29

Go away, Adok.
This place isn't for you.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 12:26

>>93
Thats about right.

Also consider the Mensa members I've known really were garbage collectors and janitors, basically because high functioning autistics have no social skills.

It's a world full of people; it don't fuqin matter how smart you are if you can't get along with people. It's not what you know it's who you know.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-05 17:23

>>86
If you feel the need to ask questions like that, it means you're insecure about "belonging" to something. In that case, I'd say you need to decide for yourself. At the very worst, you joined an organization that you don't want to be a part of.

>>88
The whole book seemed pretentious to me. Once you understand the concepts he's playing with, you're left with 800 pages of some guy droning on about cognitive science. I think a lot of people like it because they read it at a point in their lives where things like the philosophy of mathematics are foreign to them, so they get introduced to it in GEB and have positive memories of the book, even if they didn't understand the author's thesis.

Evidence bears this out, since in the 20th anniversary edition of the book, the author explicitly states that he himself didn't know what the hell the book was about when he wrote it (you can read this part on the Amazon preview), and as a result has been bombarded by fans who thought the book was simply about the three people in the title or about how all of these fields are related (and has the gall to sound annoyed at the people who don't understand what he wanted to say).

The worst part of the book undoubtedly lies in the form of (some of) its fans, who tell anyone who doesn't like the book that they don't "get it" (which is odd, considering that the author himself admits he doesn't "get it"), without giving a definition of what "getting it" means.

My theory is that anyone who writes a book without knowing what point they want to make is arrogant, an idiot, or both. I'm already familiar with the the material he uses as "examples" in the book (math, art, etc.), so coming at the book from that perspective, all I saw was poor writing and a nauseating sense of self-importance. I don't want to waste my time deciphering the rambling screed of blowhard trying to outdo daddy's Nobel Prize.

Obviously, you should read it for yourself and find out what you think of it (and if you need motivation, look back at the 100+ 5-star reviews on Amazon). As they say, YMMV.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-21 22:24

>>15,20,47
I can strongly relate to this.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 1:12

you can't write a low level thing that has a lot to do inherently with memory management in a GC'd language

NO FUCKING SHIT

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 3:36

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erik_Naggum#C.2B.2B

Seriously guys...

Its MUCH more efficient cleaning "close to the pavement" with a toothbrush rather than using a broom.

But for god's sake people - would any of you take up such a job?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 3:44

>>96
But that is why I found the book an interesting discussion of sorts: the kind you have with your friends when you're drunk, only somewhat better structured.

Tell me do you write yourself?

Or maybe you can just check out some of your older posts on /prog/ from time to time (since it is slow as C#).

It's always fun to read through something you once thought to be pinnacle of autistic wit and chuckle at how obvious or naive that concept has become in one's eyes.

</metarefernce> etc......

Name: not >>96 2011-07-22 4:07

>>100
It's always fun to read through something you once thought to be [...]
Yeah, I do this all the time with things I've read (generally not /prog/ posts, but books, articles, sometimes even things online people have said), movies/TV, even video games.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 4:36

Ask yourself: Do they have hot chicks in Mensa?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 5:00

Ask yourself: Do they have hot chicks in /prog/?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 5:34

>>22
>lesswrong
FUCK YOU

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 6:37

>>103
Yes there is Erikah Cuddlver and some toutous.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 7:01

>>96
Hofstadter may be arrogant, but at least he isn't pretentious. Just because a book wasn't written with a coherent vision doesn't make it less interesting (c.f.: Finnegans Wake). I suppose you tell people you didn't like Harry Potter because there were no greater themes?

Assuming you weren't actually trying to argue Hofstadter is "an idiot", your argument reduces to being too smart to find the book intellectually gratifying, which is worrying indeed. Perhaps you should join Mensa?

http://xkcd.com/774/

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-22 10:44

>>106
xkcd
Fvck off, ``faggot''.
Don't change these.
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