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Thinking like a computer scientist.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:12

I think we can all agree that programming is easy. Thinking like a computer scientist on the other hand is extremely difficult.

How long would you say it takes someone to get up to a proficient level? Should they keep challenging themselves to write small scripts to learn something new every time?

I find it quite difficult to come up with things to program, and when I do they're too ambitious and I find I don't have the skill to do it, mostly because I wouldn't know how to break it up into smaller, feasible chunks.

Do you ever have this problem? If yes, then how did you overcome it?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:22

Do you believe in infinity?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:22

>>1
Do you ever have this problem?
Yes.

If yes, then how did you overcome it?
I read SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:23

>>1
Also, don't reply to >>1. I beg you.

Name: >>4 2011-03-14 15:23

I meant, don't reply to >>2.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:24

>>5
Why not?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:29

>>6
It's a troll. You'll just waste your time. Go ahead if you have plenty of times and neurones to lose

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:31

The more you 'sage', the more jewish you're, because blue is a jewish color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_in_Judaism
>Blue in Judaism is used to symbolise divinity

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:32

>>7
Why do you offend other people?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 15:33

>>1
It's really a matter of continuing to try. Can you give an example of something you're struggling with?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 17:08

>>10

I don't think OP needs help with any specific problem. From what I read it seems to me like he is having trouble breaking his ideas down.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 17:21

To the contrary, I think that NOT thinking like a Computer Scientist is a such depressing hassle. Just how can you people live like that?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 17:33

>>1
Yes, I know that problem very well.

Look, it might seem too hard in the beginning, but the more you challenge yourself, the stronger you become.

Also, ``Read SICP'' is not a troll. Actually, it is when those fools blindly post it in every thread without even reading its OP. But - Since you say programming is easy (implying you have some skills at least), you will be able to understand SICP. So by all means, go ahead and read it.

http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/

If you find SICP too hard, try this out:

http://www.htdp.org/2003-09-26/

Both books will use Scheme. If you're unfamiliar with functional programming, it might look a bit strange to you, but trust me, it's fun to learn.

Currently the best Scheme implementation for Windows is Racket, download it from here:

http://racket-lang.org/

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 17:47

>>13
How about Linux? MIT Scheme is a pain in the ass to compile. Isn't racket compatible enough to do all the exercises in it?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 18:16

>>14
is a pain in the ass to compile
Stop using Gentoo.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 18:23

>>14
it will be in your package manager, and it should be, respectively

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 18:26

>>14
There's the SICP package in the PLaneT.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 18:58

>>1
I often had the same problem that you did, I decided to simply write down a list of functions and what they should do and then just tick them off, one after one, and when every function was written write some more until I can use them all to create what I need.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-14 19:38

>>15-16
I use Ubuntu.

>>17
I just saw it after a bit of Googling. Thanks!

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 3:15

>>13
SICP is nice, but OnLisp and PCL are much nicer, at least you wont become Sussman-spamming retard or hygiene-autist, after reading them.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 4:01

>>20
I read SICP first and I didn't become one. I ended up liking CL more for actual programming, but I suspect I may be the exception.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 8:09

>>20
This confirms it, autism spammer is CLer No.2

Name: >>21 2011-03-15 8:15

>>2
I don't know who the second CLer is, but I never ever spammed /prog/. The only thing I do is either answer question when they're not boring or post code.

Name: >>21 2011-03-15 8:15

I meant >>22

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 8:43

I find it quite difficult to come up with things to program, and when I do they're too ambitious and I find I don't have the skill to do it, mostly because I wouldn't know how to break it up into smaller, feasible chunks.

You are not a programmer. Just a code monkey. Prove me wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 9:56

>>23
by "Second CLer" I meant >>20, since you have a well established history of not shitposting.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 10:56

>>26
>>20 has no reason to spam, as he don't care about SICP and hates jew Sussman, whose pupil, Steele, created evil JAVA. So for >>20 SICP means JAVA and JAVA means SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 11:14

>>27
Who gives a shit whether or not he likes SICP, or what his opinion of Java is. I'm asserting that he is likely the perpetrator of the continuing "autism" nonsense.

As for Java, it is more fitting to blame Gosling.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 11:20

>>28
>continuing "autism" nonsense.
Why should he care about your autism?

>As for Java, it is more fitting to blame Gosling.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

Name: VIPPER 2011-03-15 11:23

>>28
As for Java, it is more fitting to blame Goslin
Considering steele was the one of the 2 creators of scheme, the other being the sussman i tend to agree.
I'm asserting that he is likely the perpetrator of the continuing "autism" nonsense.
Most likely there are more persons involved in this, considering the amount of autism here.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 12:40

>>29
Get a fucking grip.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-15 19:33

dicks

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-16 4:28

fuque

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-16 4:30

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Name: Anonymous 2011-03-16 4:32

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Name: Anonymous 2011-03-16 5:24

get out before its too l8

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-16 5:26

where can i find a reference for NTVDM.exe and especially all its switches?
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