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Prime numbers

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-09 17:42

Does anyone else find the Sieve of Eratosthenes and the ilk a totally pointless concept?

It like over optimising a Java program that could be written in C in a short space of time.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 0:46

>>29
damn my autism

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 0:54

>>29
Even stupider than before!  Incredible!

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 0:59

>>31
nice

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 1:12

>>31
Just letting you know, you aren't talking to just one person. I threw a few posts in there but most of them aren't me. Then again I'm not sure you are just one person.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 1:14

>>29
I do hate myself. autist.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 1:20

>>27
We get it, you're an EXPERT AUTIST. Don't encourage the trolls.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 1:27

>>31
Oh look, if it isn't FrozenVoid

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 1:29

>>35
back to /b/

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 3:03

Failures all of you

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 3:34

>>37
back to /b/  please
FTFY

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 3:49

for fucks sake people

This thread has been thread stopped. You can no longer reply.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 3:57

>>40
You can no longer reply.
Make me, anon.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 4:02

Thread roll call!

>>1  Expert Drug User

>>14 Expert Omniscient

>>17 Expert Troll

>>27 Expert Autist

>>29 Expert Douche

>>30-1000 Expert Shitposters

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 4:08

return this.thread.containsMaxLulz;
     true   

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 5:01

primes = autism

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 5:03

>>42
>>1,14,17,27,29
Just if you wanted too see if your what was mentioned.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 5:21

slightly offtopic; how would /prog/ go about generating large prime numbers? which algorithm is easiest to implement?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 5:53

>>46
None. Use libraries. They are here for a reason.

But if you insist, Miller-Rabbin are autistic enough.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 5:53

>>46
which algorithm is easiest to implement?
Sieve of Eratosthenes.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 6:42

>>19

Name: >>18 2011-03-11 6:55

>>19

I repeat again with great confidence that you are unintelligent.

Show me a mathematical function that takes in positive integers and outputs the prime number at that position
In attempt to mimic standard mathematical notation, let N the set of natural numbers and let P be the set of prime numbers, and now let p:N->P, and let p(n) be the n-th prime.

Now you have a mathematical function which takes in positive integers and outputs the prime number ``at that position''.

and then I'll believe you.
I don't care if you believe me or not, it couldn't matter less what you believe.
It is the trademark of an unintelligent person to believe that what he thinks matters, it doesn't, nobody gives a shit especially if you're as unintelligent as you are.

The macro world is considered deterministic because of the great improbability of microscopic quantum effects ever propagating to the macro world. That being said however there are certain instances where you have indeterminism even in the macro world, see Schrödinger's cat.

Other than that, I implore you to return to /g/ or wherever you came from, if you are not from /g/ I can still recommend it for you, as you will find people on the same intellectual level as you.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 7:49

>>50
Most entertaining countertroll in thread!

Name: Sagetank requested. 2011-03-11 9:43

Sagetank requested.

Substitute also accepted.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 14:58

>>50
So the world isn't deterministic after all? I win.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 15:07

>>50
Insanity detected.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 15:12

>>54
U ami luedi wei wie phoo poi?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-11 15:47

>>53
You really think it's something to be decided by rabid arguments on /prog/?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-12 18:43

>>56
Don't insult your opponent's intelligence here. He is obviously quite inexperienced on the subject, and yet he was able to manipulate you into validating his argument.

Your arguments degraded into ad hominem remarks and semantic sophistry, obvious attempts at sidestepping addressing  his arguments head on, presumably after you realized you weren't 100% correct.

I admit it, IHBT

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-20 16:58

>>53
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g7939/algorithms_based_on_number_base_systems/c1lg9bs

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-20 17:17

>>58
reddit.com
No.

Name: VIPPER 2011-03-20 17:32

>>58
I will pray for you getting testicular cancer. ;)

Name: >>50 2011-03-20 17:44

>>57

I'm not >>56, I never claimed that the universe is deterministic, so I was not manipulated into validating his argument. I did however claim that the primes are deterministic. I also did claim that >>19 is unintelligent, which is an observation based on overwhelming evidence.

The fact that most of you seem unable to separate between ``the universe'' and ``the prime numbers'' is baffling to me, perhaps I am unable to dumb myself down to your level of intelligence.

Every statement I have made so far in this thread have been correct.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-20 20:45

>>60
Go fuck an autistic nigger.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 0:06

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12759587

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 0:50

>The team from Duke University in North Carolina created autistic mice by mutating the gene which controls production of the protein, Shank3.
Poor mice have been shanked

Name: Brain 2011-03-21 0:57

>>64
Queit, Pinky

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 2:12

>>64
* Poor mice have been Shank3d.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 11:28

>>66
britfag detected

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 11:32

>>61
isn't everything deterministic?

I mean, the concept of random is just a lie non?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 12:55

Is amb deterministic?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 16:28

>>68

Most random effects which are easily observable in the macro world are usually quite heavily influenced by the law of large numbers and the central limit theorem, therefore they appear to be deterministic.

A textbook example is radioactive decay, it's a stochastic process, but even though you never know when a single atom will decay you may usually through the law of large numbers quite accurately estimate when a certain portion of a large collection of nuclei have decayed.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 16:29

all finite non-deterministic automata can be converted to finite deterministic automata. the universe is a finite automatum. ergo everything computation inside the universe is deterministic.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-21 23:49

>>68
Physical determinism is still an open question.

As far as 'random' goes, there's hardly a use case for anything stronger than "unpredictable in principle" which particle decay gives us--determinism or no, we're excluded (in principle) from ever being able to predict decay events beyond a certain established accuracy.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 19:29

>>72
>Physical determinism is still an open question.

No, it isn't.  Chaotic systems require infinitely precise knowledge of their state to predict correctly.  You may say, "Aha! Reality is quantized, so it's possible to know those states with infinite precision!"  Here, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is useful.

All that is required to disprove determinism is a single physically realizable chaotic system whose future state depends non-continuously on the position and momentum of a particle.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 20:04

>>73
Just because you can't measure something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 20:21

>>73
Depends on one's definition of determinism. If you need the entire state of the system to calculate the next state, it's still deterministic, just not local.
The thing about QM is that it may be a bit different, you can have a function ("laws of the universe") which instead of producing one next state, it produces multiple states and those states could produce multiple states as well and so on, but the obserer will of course only observe a single state (the one he is in), thus he will observe randomness along the lines of which state was chosen. It's still unclear if this is the case for our world, but it is one possible interpretation of quantum mechanics.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 21:09

>>74
If you can't measure it, you can't DETERMINE it.  There's no way to DETERMINE the future state of many systems.  Of course, they will be in some state in the future, but that state isn't DETERMINED.  (Did you notice you were replying to a post about determinism?)

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 21:16

>>76
The problem here lies with those within the system, but if you could look at the system from outside, it would look deterministic, no matter what the structure is.

If you are a structure within a system and the only way for you to measure other data is to interact/change it (thus making your measurements inaccurate) that doesn't make the system less deterministic, it merely makes it non-deterministic to that piece of data which is trying to measure some other data inexactly and thus cannot predict the future state. It's also possible that even if the data could measure all the other data exactly, it would still be unable t ocompute the future state as it would require itself to know the state of all the data in the system and emulate it, but the information contents would be much larger than it could be held within the system (as it is subject to limitations of the system, assuming a digital one: if real numbers are involved (if they can even exist in a physical system), it all goes to hell and lots of weird stuff becomes possible). It's the same way as trying to emulate a virtual machine within the guest OS (and include the guest OS within the emulation too) while not requiring more memory - it's impossible.

All this just means the system is non-deterministic to the information inside it, but not as a structure when viewed from the outside.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 21:21

>>75
double pendulums don't require invoking quantum mechanics
some macroscopic, commonplace systems simply aren't deterministic
construct one and observe to your satisfaction that it is not deterministic
science cannot refute direct observations
there's no room for argument

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 21:27

>>77
operating system emulation has fuck all to do with determinism (tl;dr)

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 21:46

>>79
It was an analogy of the kind of problem one would be facing.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 22:24

>>47
None. Use libraries. They are here for a reason.
Change name to li/b/rary, we are here. That is all!

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 22:32

li/b/iberty.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 22:58

>>61
Every statement I have made so far in this thread have been correct.

To your best judgment. God you are an arrogant fuck.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 23:02

>>61
Dude I'm not >>19. I'm >>9.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 23:18

>>83
Every statement I have made so far in this thread have been correct.

have been.

lol

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-22 23:24

>>84
>>61 has been trolled by everyone on /prog/.
Cheers.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-23 9:59

>>83-86

You seem upset, even though I realize that it might be frustrating to get mentally destroyed by someone who is superior to you in every aspect of life I suggest you attempt to relax, this is just a textboard.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-23 22:35

>>87
Who are you talking to?

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-23 22:39

>>87
Mentally destroyed? Quit trolling already.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-23 22:52

>>89
He's an ass burger, he can't.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 15:56

>>4
U MENA assoc

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 16:09

>>91
U MENA assq.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 17:18

prime distribution can be calculated by plotting a n-dimensional rotation around a single point like the ulam spiral but in n-d.

[spolier]just don't tell anyone or we are all fsck'd[/spoiler]

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 17:25

this

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 17:25

thread

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 17:25

is

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 17:26

PRIMESTOPPED

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 19:01

>>88-90

I was talking to the person who posted >>83-86, it's obvious to everyone that those posts have a single author (actually you) and that he's angry and upset.

The fact that you can't let this go even though this discussion is for all practical intents and purposes anonymous indicates that you have some sort of mental retardation. I am and continue to be correct, attempt to educate yourself and you'll be able to make the same conclusions I have.

You're a shitty poster and quite likely a complete and utter moron, I think you should leave /prog/ and never return, but alas, since you are at a such low level of intelligence you will take that as an encouragement and post more as you think it'll affect me in any way shape or form.

Just know this, it doesn't matter if you post, it doesn't matter what you think, your thoughts and ideas are complete shit and you are a fucking moron, you don't even degrade the quality of /prog/ you're just more of the same, if I could stop you from ever being having the ability to get children I would, mostly because Mexican and East European children make better maids and the world doesn't need more non-productive retards. You are worth less than the materials that make up your body. You are worth absolutely nothing.

I suggest you at least attempt to make use of your limited intellect by getting an education, of course most people at your level will find it too difficult in which my recommendation is suicide.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 19:10

>>98
let me introduce you to
>>97

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-24 21:12

>>99
INTRODUCE ME TO MY ANUS

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-26 2:41

>>98
U MAD

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? Read your post, I think you're the one who's truly upset. Just to be clear, I'm >>19, and I was fucking with you, obviously. How could you possibly think I was being serious after I so blatantly used the phrase "I'm being scientific and ultimately productive"? 

You thought I actually believed that there could exist a number that has an indeterminate primality?

Just calm down OK? I'm starting to feel a little sorry for you. I think you said it yourself, this is just a text board. I'm done with this, I'm not going to post any more so if you need to take out a little more anger here go ahead, I'm not going to respond.

Name: Anonymous 2011-03-26 5:24

PRIMESTOPPED!

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