/prob/ ʭ A Modest Proposal ʭ

Lets face it, GJS/JSB-1 was a failure. It attempted to enact a system of vetting respectable /prog/ posters, but all it accomplished was enabling trolls to hijack the protocol and create 'authenticated' shitposts[1]. The fatal flaw in the GJS Protocol, is the fact that the users of the protocol remain anonymous. What the GJS creator failed to realize is that there is a good side and a bad side to each and every poster here on /prog/. Our greatest programmers are also our greatest trolls. What I propose is a simple. First, we must all begin to use tripcodes. Then we must filter out all anonymous posts. If you see a post you don't like, filter out his tripcode. If a poster has a reputation to uphold, he won't sully his name with shitposts. If he wishes to shitpost anonymously, he will be filtered out.

I want you're honest opinion /prog/, what do you think of this proposal?


[1]http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1277199219/1-40

Allow me to share my vision of what I refer to as the hybrid model:
A textboard with compulsory registration and login but strictly anonymous posting. All posts are internally associated with a user but this identity is never known to the other users. The usual maintenance measures would be integrated (captchas to stop scripts, reporting posts, deleting own posts and so on). Moderation would be meticulously logged internally. There are only permanent global bans. Users can hide all other posts by the author of a post they dislike but who isn't banned.
Caveat: users need to have some trust in the admins. The internals of the system can never be made public (thus no transparency) to prevent exploits.

>>32
Having a script for hiding/filtering stuff is nearly as good as a partical midle ground one will get.

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>>1
Our greatest programmers are also our greatest trolls.
You don't need to be a great programmer to implement JSB-1, and it's just one autistic retard that spams signed shitposts.
Also, /prog/ is rather lazy in that (AFAIK) no one bothered to design another relatively hard to implement signing algorithm.

>>32
The internals of the system can never be made public (thus no transparency) to prevent exploits.
Wait, what? If the system is good enough (i.e., unlike Shii^tchan) then it would be exploit-proof.

>>32
Internals should be available, as >>34 said, eventually the bugs will be weeded out if they exist. All it takes is a dedicated developer or dev team. Surely, this can't be to too much to ask of someone making a programming BBS, right?

A good programming board SHOULD have exploits. It gives users something to explore and discover and brag about when they find them.

>>35
I might try writing a BBS in the next 2 months, though even if I succeed I wouldn't expect /prog/ to like it enough to switch.
Still, /sicp/ was rather successful...

>>36
That's true, too. It's one of the fun things about Shiichan.

>>37
So get a copy of Wakaba and be done with it.

>>32
Actually this is a great idea. On the face of it we would still be anonymous and have the advantage of being anonymous but also with all the same advantages of a more traditional forum. As you said you would really have to trust the admin. Interally all posts by an anonymous user would still be associated with a discrete identity but this relation should never be known. Thinking of it like that, if you filter posts by user x the absense of posts that previously existed would be enough information to expose the user's identity.

If that's how the feature would work then it's the same as having no anonymity at all. If ignore should only apply to one post it's exactly the same as /prog/'s current problem.

>>32
terrible!
i'll never use your board if i need to register an account.

why not simply let moderators hide threads/replies and be done with it? and allow people to surf the chan unfiltered by going to raw.examplechan.org.

>>40
why not simply let moderators hide threads/replies and be done with it?
Maybe because they don't give a shit?
>>32-san's idea is pretty good, especially if ``registration'' is not too much invasive. (i.e. optional email address)
We also need IDs again.

>>41
IDs are a bad idea as it's possible to bruteforce someone's IP address. Even if you say that you can't do that without the salt, salt's been leaked on both shiichan and imageboards multiple times - all it takes is one minor mess up from the administration and then everyone's IP's are obtainable. I'd rather have no IDs than get the host of issues that come with them, besides it's very easy to identify people by the style they write their posts in.

>>42
What are the issues with being able to find other's IP addresses, besides being able to tell if someone is a JEW or not?

besides it's very easy to identify people by the style they write their posts in.
Not necessarily; I haven't been able to reliably identify /prog/ posters, anyway.

>>42
Xarn?

dfh

>>40
There's no other way, I know it sucks. Look at /prog/. It's full of shit.
>>39
I don't really think there is a way around that. Filtering single posts is a waste of time. And by hiding all posts of a specific user you still won't know his identity, only what he used to post if you keep track.

The internals must be kept secret to allow measures like "report user X for review if 25 % of his posts were hidden at least once"; "report user X for review if 10 users reported any of his posts in the last 48 hours". You can't put that in any official rules, people will exploit it, but it can be a very helpful tool for moderation. Essentially weeding out bad posters by community without them knowing. If you open source that, you have already lost, don't even bother

>>34
Exploit-proof
No.

>>46
I forgot, in a hybrid model board, there could still be a designated board that allows showing the ID voluntarily, as an experiment. Could be interesting to see how it fares against the default anon board.

>>46
I suspect the imageboards have something like that with the report system. Do you really think it's not abused already?

>>48
Moderators don't give a shit about the imageboards either. Someone from /jp/ can confirm.

back to /yourOwnBBS/

>>34
naa theres more than one. trust me i know

What about my am honest opinion?

Bump

First, we must all begin to use tripcodes.
hypocrite OP doesn't even use a tripcode himself.
if OP had used a tripcode he'd be forever "that guy who had the modest proposal"...
whoever starts using tripcodes here is going to single himself out from the herd and get ripped apart by the hyenas (until his tripcode is hacked)
start your own chan

>>54
I was going to try, but then I realised IWHBT, so I'll just let the other autists rip the shit out of you.