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LISP Machines had all this long before

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:06

http://fare.tunes.org/LispM.html
LISP Machine will automatically discover its configuration, finding its network address, the namespace server, etc. CHAOS probably had all this long before DHCP first appeared in 1996

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:07

LISP had garbage collection long before Java.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:13

First mouse GUI was develop on Xerox Star Lisp Machines.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:30

First 3d virtual BDSM gaysex game was written in Lisp.
First "intelligent" anal vibrator too.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:31

The Internet was written in Lisp and hand-optimised assembly.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:33

George Bush Jr. was written in Lisp and hand-optimised assembly.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:35

You're mom was written in Lisp and hand-optimised assembly.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:45

The first Lisp interpreter/compiler was written in Lisp and hand-optimised assembly.
Wait..... wat?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:54

>>8
It's simple really. The platform had an assembler. Writing an interpreter for a Lisp is easiest, so what he did was write a simple lisp interpreter in assembly, then he wrote the compiler in lisp. Then you just interpret the compiler and compile your compiler with itself. This is a rather classical bootstrapping method, however people tend to write interpreters in more high-level languages these days (such as C).

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 3:57

>>8
As far as I remember, they just hand-compiled the eval procedure.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 5:51

>>8
DURR DURR HOW DO I BOOTSTRAP

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 15:48

>>11
SUCK MY COCK YOU COMMUNIST FAGGOT
I SHIT ON YOUR MOTHER AND FART IN YOUR FACE

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 17:08

>>12
I keep seeing the word ``communist'' used as an insult in some places around the Internet. I really never got the joke, but I wonder if it has anything to do with cold war stereotyping that went on trying to redefine the word (among other words).

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 20:30

>>13
Communism means no individualism. No LISP (LISP was banned in USSR). Strict top-down approach to everything. Do you want to be conforming state animal and write in Pascal (or other BDSM state choosen language)?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 20:33

>>13
>LISP was banned in USSR
Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Turchin
In 1974 he lost his position at the Institute, and was persecuted by the KGB.

And Turchin was an AI expert and the only proponent of Lisp in USSR at the time.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 20:45

During Communism there is always this big red "Report Person" button. And if you try to be original and think differently, somebody of your peers will notice this and report you. He will recieve some bounty and you will go to GULAG.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 21:19

>>16
That's why you should always report suspicious activity to The Computer, so it can protect us from the red menace.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 22:02

>>15
I decided to look up the details and it seems he was persecuted because he decided to speak for human rights and in favor of certain dissidents and against certain political actions of the current rulers. It had nothing to do with his work.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 22:46

>>18
You see, the official programming language of Soviet Union was Algol, then (and now in Russia) Pascal. Such nuances were decided top-down by committees once and for all. And if you want to use different language in your work, you "speak for human rights" and against Communism.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 22:59

>>19
Lisp was pretty niche in the US too. Anyway, you have pretty wrong idea about how science and engineering was conducted in the SU. Think of modern China if you want an idea how such things progress. One major disadvantage SU had for it was the externally imposed isolation, which is not something today's China has, and it's why it leads in certain areas.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 23:33

>>20
China isnt a communist state. Think of China as a fascist state, but without Hitler and racist crap.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 5:30

>>20
Lisp was pretty niche in the US too.
...Please don't assume Lisp is only useful for Animation and Graphics, AI, Bioinformatics, B2B and E-Commerce, Data Mining, EDA/Semiconductor applications, Expert Systems, Finance, Intelligent Agents, Knowledge Management, Mechanical CAD, Modeling and Simulation, Natural Language, Optimization, Research, Risk Analysis, Scheduling, Telecom, and Web Authoring just because these are the only things they happened to list.

Name: >>20 2010-12-25 5:39

>>22
I'm a Lisper too, I'm just stating that even in the time when they made Lisp Machines, the actual number of users wasn't that high, it was probably even lower than it is today. It's a great family of languages, but the number of people that actually bother learning and using it is small, however most people that do use it, use it for very interesting things, which is what's important! A lot of the code I've written in CL, I wouldn't dare write in other languages (at least my first time around... porting is easy when the concept is crystallized), simply because it would take me a lot longer to write and I'd bore doing all the menial work myself - work, which I don't really have to do when using Lisp, I just concentrate at the heart of my problem.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 6:10

>>20
Lisp was pretty niche in the US too.
I think you mean "Lisp is pretty niche".

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 6:26

>>24
``Lisp'' is getting more "mainstream" with its bastard child, Clojure.

Seriously, though, even if Clojure isn't a "proper" Lisp, it's what people always complain about Lisp: It's ENTERPRISE-interoperable, as you can use Java libraries.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 6:28

>>25
I'm sure I wrote a got after the first it's.
*it's got what people etc.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 7:12

>>25
Clojure dont support TCO and never will. FAIL.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 7:15

>>27
And without TCO it is pretty hard to implement continuations, that makes it hard to implement backtracking, that makes it hard to implement parsers, error handling, regular expressions and inference systems. So using Clojure is pretty hard.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 11:40

>>28
hard to implement backtracking
Traditionally in Scheme, this was done with explicit failure and success continuations that you passed in to the function. The pattern matcher and parser combinator libraries I use both work this under the hood.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 11:41

>>29
On second thoughts, you probably meant this when you said "continuations" rather than native continuations.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 17:00

>>27-28

ENTERPRISE doesn't give a shit to continuations or TCO. If they did, would they use Java?
I'm not talking about "watch me play with my toy languages are so cool ur enterprize iz t3h sux0r", I myself use everyday one of those toy languages, but I know that I will never use Scheme or Lisp at work. Stop being autistic, /prog/, Clojure may suck, but it's the only Lisp that could become mainstream.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 19:03

>>31
ihbt

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 20:18

>>32
>>31
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Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 21:43

>>31
What's the point of Lisp becoming mainstream when it's a shitty one like Clojure?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 21:49

>>34
A little step for Lisp, a giant leap for the world.
If it becomes mainstream, more people will get attracted by Lisps, more people will not see some Lisp code and yell "OMG PARENTHESES!!1", more people may start moving from Clojure to CL/Scheme/Racket.

It may be utopic, but I want to believe.
(Also, Clojure is still better than Java, you can't deny it.)

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 23:05

>>35
Most people don't even understand recursion. They'll stick to what they know (in this case Java).

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 23:33

>>36
That's why Clojure is going to have success.
There are a lot of smart people out there too, they just aren't aware/are skeptical/can't try out because they have to work with another language (like, indeed, Java).
You're too pessimistic, more and more people's getting interested in Lisp, and for who don't, we've lost nothing of value.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 1:23

>>37
There are a lot of smart people

No. There are a lot of average people out there. Most people don't get into this business for fun, they get into it to make money AND ONLY TO MAKE MONEY. So why would they switch from Java to something they find utterly confusing like Lisp?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 1:36

I love reading (and laughing at) conversations between Lispers.
You guys seriously believe you're better than everybody else, don't you?
You should read this, you guys have it real bad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 2:59

>>39
Most Lispers are already EXPERT PROGRAMMERS who already know most mainstream languages. They tend to like Lisp for what it offers, not for other reasons. They're likely more qualified than most ENTERPRISE people.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 3:08

>>40
That's what they tell you.
Did you even read the wikipedia page?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 3:18

>>41
I'm familiar with what the Dunning-Kruger effect is, so no, I haven't read it again. If you want a programmer's equivalent of the effect, look at the ``Blub paradox'', even though I don't really like quoting Graham.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 3:45

>>39,41
This might surprise you but there are some people are both great at what they do and confident. Perhaps you are too stupid to understand Lisp and too stupid to understand why that's a bad thing.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 4:12

>>43
U MAD.
You're obviously not as confident in your skills as you pretend because you react so violently when your little bubble of delusion is threatened.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 4:20

>>44
Stop assuming all the posters are the same person.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 6:04

>>45
And how you differ from the same person?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-26 6:34

Prolog is awesome, Lisp is for posers.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-03 1:32

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