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THE PLAN 9

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 14:21

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/

Why is it that Plan 9 People are so fucking deluded?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 14:46

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 14:53

>>2
It's... beautiful.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 15:31

 Harmful things    Less harmful alternatives
GNU Coreutils.    Plan 9 from User Space.

He mena ``Anonix''.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 16:10

>>2
That makes my brain hurt

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 17:06

irb(main):003:0> ''.methods.length
=> 176

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 17:06

Harmful things - Less harmful alternatives
Holding down a job - Never being hired by anyone because I hate conforming to standards.

Oh, wait.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 17:07

YHBT

Harmful things    Less harmful alternatives
POSIX    FORTH

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 17:15

>>1
Why is it that you think they're deluded?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 17:29

ALSA    OSS4
Well, good luck getting your programs to work. Especially if you ever want to use MIDI.

Vim, Emacs, nano, Eclipse, ...    Acme, Sam, ed.
ED! ED IS THE STANDARD! RJFIOJIOEWJVIOJWEIOFJIOP

GTK, Qt, VxWindows.    Tk, textual interfaces.
So wait, this guy actually likes Tk?

head    sed 11q
Oh. Raving fucking lunatic. I see.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 17:31

>>2
What a great language.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 18:26

Why is it lispers are so fucking deluded?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 18:33

I see he has a list of his most favorite esoteric and arcane tools juxtaposed irrationally with a list of somewhat more popular ones.

The real problem with this list is that he makes absolutely no attempt to rationalize any of the judgments he makes. He simply says that x is much better than y; therefore everyone should use x. Presumably there is this underlying expectation that anyone who finds this page will immediately think, "Oh, shit, he's so right, these things I have been using for many years without problems, and which I am very comfortable with, really are shitty, so I had better use all of these other programs instead." Of course no one is going to think that. Among the people who actually give a shit about whatever programs they are using (which, for any given program, is already likely to be a small fraction of those who use it), the vast majority of them like whatever they are using. Why? Because if they didn't like it, they would find something else. Naturally the ones who don't give a shit what they're using are also not going to bother switching to something else even with a good reason, so lists such as this are even more lost on these people.

I really don't care what this guy writes. I use what I like, and a lot of the stuff I use - and like - are listed in his "Harmful" column. This categorization seems entirely irrational to me, and without anything resembling justifications for his labeling, I have no reason to switch away from tools I am comfortable with, just so that I can spend large amounts of time learning new tools I am unfamiliar with. This is compounded by the fact that these alternative tools are, on the whole, unlikely to exist on whatever system I am using at the time.

Therefore, I believe that cat-v.org should be categorized under "Harmful." See what I just did? I gave my reasoning, and then I stated my opinion. You're certainly allowed to agree or disagree with me, but you'll at least know how I came to that conclusion, and heck, maybe I even convinced someone to change their opinion. And what's even better, if you feel differently, you can tell specifically what points you disagree with. It's rational discourse, which is something that tends to be completely lost on, curiously, the very sort of people who make these sorts of websites claiming that some particular thing is either terrible or fantastic.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 19:19

>>13
While I do agree on some points with that cat-v list, and disagree on other points, I think the problem with your thinking lies here:
I have no reason to switch away from tools I am comfortable with, just so that I can spend large amounts of time learning new tools I am unfamiliar with.
I admit this is pretty normal and human and most people, including me, tend to be lazy fucks who become complacent with something and are too lazy to switch to something better because it would take them a lot of time to learn those things, even if those things are better and might save them a lot of time in the long run. It is rather hard to know what will be useful (or not) without actually spending the time and learning that thing. There are even situations where people spend their entire lives on absolutely useless things because of false or incorrect beliefs they hold or other misconceptions. There are also (incredibly common) situations where someone finds something "good enough" and decides to stay with it, even if there are considerably better alternatives for them (both time and resource-wise).

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 19:26

>>13
The links in the nav bar to the left explain the rationale pretty well. He also subscribes to the paradigm that complexity is the bane of all software, simplicity is the most important quality.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 19:57

>>13
He clearly has no earthly idea just what in the fuck he is talking about. Rather like a 1 year old playing in his own shit and splattering it on the screen and thinking it's useful web page.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 22:27

>>15
No it most certainly does not explain his rationale. It's just a bunch of thinly disguised self-important bullshit, and he's making a poor effort to try to pass off his arrogant opinions as factual knowledge.

I have a feeling that the lack of rationale stems from the fact that his only reasons for favoring any particular piece of software is because he's an elitist fuck who can't stand using the same things as other people.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 23:13

>>17
You're just angry because he insulted your favorite software. I bet you still use head, don't you? Bloated piece of shit.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 23:40

>>18
your fucking gay, eat shit and die, faggot

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-01 23:56

What about my fucking gay, eat shit and die, faggot?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 1:51

Harmful things    Less harmful alternatives[o]
GPL, LGPL, Apache Software License, MPL, CC.    In order of preference: public domain, ISC, MIT/X, BSD, CC0.

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                              //     \\
                             ( ~\\~//~ )
                              ~| @"@ |~
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                  \    `.__ |           | __.'    /|
                |   \      : ---_____--- :      /  |
                      `-___:`---_|_|_---':___-'
                |           /\         /\          |
                           /  \       /  \
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           ~ ~              :__:     :__:              ~ ~
                           (____)   (____)

           _____                          _______   ____  __
          / ___/__  ______  ___  _____   / ____/ | / / / / /
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        /____/\__,_/ .___/\___/_/      \____/_/ |_/\____/
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|   \ ___ / _|___ _ _  __| |___ _ _   ___ / _| | |_| |_  ___   / __| _ \| |
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|___/\___|_| \___|_||_\__,_\___|_|   \___/_|    \__|_||_\___|  \___|_|  |____|

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 1:53

>>21
Fuck, I fail at BBCode.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 9:47

>>22
Why the hell were you even using [o]? That's dumb.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 11:24

>>21
I have to agree that *GPL sucks majorly, though.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 11:32

>>23
Why the hell were you even using [o]? That's dumb.

Because you can't
EXPERT
QUOTE

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 12:49

>>25
You
don't
need
[o]
for
this,
``faggot''.

You
need
it
for
this.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 12:55

>>26

You
need
[o]
for this,
and
also
for
this,
``faggot''

and
IHBT

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 12:55

>>27
Fuck.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 12:57

>>27
You
need
[o]
for this,

What, for multiline quoting? No you don't.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 13:03

>>29
Then, show me how you multiline quote without [o].

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 13:27

>>30
[br]

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 13:29

test

incest

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 13:29

IHBT by
>>32

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 13:30

>>32
U mena ``> test[br]incest''

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:04

I
mena
test
incest

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:05

>>35[o]
but
with
[o]
is
easier.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:05

>>36
Fucking
close
tag.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:05

>>36
Apparently not.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:06

test1
test2

test3
test4

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:07

> test[o]
test[/o]

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:58

nice

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:59

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:59

[quote]wwwwwwwwwww[/quote]

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 14:59

[q]qqqqqqqqqq[/q]

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 15:02

123

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 15:02

aaaaaaa

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 16:05

H
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Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 16:29

WAT IS DIS
``faggot

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 16:30

HAX
> HAX
> HAX[/br]HAX[/br]HAX

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 16:31

DIS.ISWATISDIS

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 16:45

>>24
Made by hipsters for hipsters.. still use most of their stuff though..  I just threat it as one proprietary software package... imagine they are like the borg collective or something.

Never touch it but firing nanoprobes at weird looking aliens is fun.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 18:04

>>51
hipsters
Will you die already?

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 18:30

>>52
Hax my anus, hipster.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-02 18:58

>>51
Will you get back to /b/ please

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-03 7:45

Harmful things              Less harmful alternatives
     ...                                ...
Bash, tcsh, zsh.           rc, OpenBSD's pdksh, ash/dash.
     ...                                ...
Productivity, usability    Repetitive actions, awkward interfaces

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-03 20:00

>>54
he mad

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-04 5:50

Looks like most of his rationale seems to be " do one thing well". Heck, the only things I really agree with is tmux and UTF-8.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-04 5:52

>>54
u mad nigger

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-04 8:19

*African American

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-04 8:23

>>59
*Black underprivileged slave

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-04 8:58

>>60
*Person of colour differently privileged at the service of the state.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-04 9:09

>>59
* Not all black people are from America.
* Not all African people are black.
Blacks are still nigger though no matter where they live.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-24 21:03

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Name: Anonymous 2011-11-17 22:59

neat

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