Yesterday I found the book "The UNIX-HATERS Handbook" http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf
Rather than being just another rant throwing around adjectives like "bloated mess" or what have you, this book gives specific examples and reasons why everything build on top of any *nix OS is probably the most shoddiest programming used anywhere in professional software. The joke being that every single major server hardware maker uses Linux or there own brand of *nix. You would think by now that the biggest server hardware companies in the world whos trillion dollar business revenue depends on this OS ecosystem would work out some stable standards. But the book points out why this hasnt happened and will never happen (hint: vender lock-in).
Everything about *nix is a disaster: the shell, X windows, network sockets, everything outside of the kernel.
So the point of this thread is that you would think someone somewhere who develops for *nix would have fixed something by now
>>1 So the point of this thread is that you would think someone somewhere who develops for *nix would have fixed something by now
Then it would not be called UNIX anymore.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 13:29
Then it would not be called UNIX anymore.
ok, take X Windows for example, read the chapter on X Windows and ask yourself if you truly think such an awful excuse for a graphics toolkit should exist and then ask yourself in reply to your own point: Would replacing X Windows make a completely new OS?
TL;DR: OP is butthurt because learning the *nix systems is too hard for him.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 13:47
So the point of this thread is that you would think someone somewhere who develops for *nix would have fixed something by now
Someone did, no one cared.
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X Windows was written by Stallman as a hacker's Windows. It never was part of UNIX canon. Solaris and NeXTSTEP are/were *nix, and they never touched X.
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You should have waited another 5 years when tack that might actually work on someone.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 15:13
>>10 X Windows was written by Stallman as a hacker's Windows.
X Windows was not written by Stallman nor did it originate from FSF
It never was part of UNIX canon.
Thats true, but no one is really interested in what the original ATT UNIX was, from the very beginning the OS source was made available to education and industry and each hardware maker just made their own flavor of it to run on their hardware.
Solaris and NeXTSTEP are/were *nix, and they never touched X.
Solaris is a server OS and a graphical environment was never required. NeXTSTEP is a group of technologies, its very hard to pin down exactly what NeXTSTEP is based on or related to
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Oh, it wasn't Stallman, my apologies.
I also meant all *nix canon, but I was trying to say that including X in a hate book about UNIX is like including Google in a hate book about HTTP.
You are mistaken about both Solaris and NeXTSTEP though. Solaris can also be used in a desktop and even has the Java Desktop System for windowing. NeXTSTEP was NeXT's OS that is based on Objective-C and is the predecessor to Apple's GUIs.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 15:32
>>14
I agree with you about the title, calling the book UNIX-HATERS gives a false impression that there is something wrong with the original unix kernel or even unix flavored kernels and they somehow need to be done away with. The book has nothing bad to say about any of these OS kernels but simply criticize the apps built on them that users interface with.
Find any guide to set it up, and after just a few minutes of browsing through a trippy user interface you'll stumble over a goldmine of pictures that'll land you a lifetime of buttrape in prison
I expected something like an Apple/Microsoft dude getting all angry, but this man lost his Lisp machine. There is a holy bond between a man and his lisp machine, and it should not have been broken.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 20:59
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Dude, whatever you have to tell yourself to get yourself through your day.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 23:46
>>1
>most shoddiest
Your inability to properly weild the English language has lead me to disregard your entire post as twaddle, good job.
Using a source from 1994 to complain about an operating system that, for all intents and purposes, doesn't exist any more doesn't help either.
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Anonymous2010-09-10 0:18
I just skimmed the table of contents. X might not be perfect, but it's a helluva lot better than explorer in everything except speed, and Aqua, while a Natural 20 in Pretty, is fucking stupid. HELLO, GUI WRITTEN IN OBJECTIVE-C BASED ON NEXTSTEP AND MACOS SIMULTANEOUSLY. Also, network-transparent windowing is pretty fucking vital for, say, Wireshark on a remote server. NFS has come a long way, but UFS STILL SUCKS. It's part of why I'm sticking to Linux instead of BSD - ext3/4 (or JFS for slower machines) beats the shit out of UFS as a default filesystem. UNIX might suck, but I'm using Debian GNU/Linux. After all, GNU's Not UNIX.
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Anonymous2010-09-10 1:55
about an operating system that, for all intents and purposes, doesn't exist any more
youre british arent you? only a brit could say something so far removed from reality in such a tone of seriousness
NFS has come a long way, but UFS
STILL SUCKS. It's part of why I'm sticking to
Linux instead of BSD - ext3/4 (or JFS for slower
machines) beats the shit out of UFS as a default
filesystem.
freebsd uses ufs2 or zfs. dragonfly uses hammer. all three beat the shit out of ext3/4 and jfs.
>>24 freebsd uses ufs2 or zfs. dragonfly uses hammer. all three beat the shit out of ext3/4 and jfs.
I don't know about UFS2, but HAMMER is a fucking joke, and ZFS is slow as shit and a terrible choice for nearly every application. It's great in the niche it was designed for, but it doesn't deserve this hipster cult following.