Xcode4

It may only bring it up to level of other IDEs, but damn I want it.

My dear chap, what ever are you on about?

Xcode is Apple's proprietary IDE complicated text editor and front end to the GCC toolchain. It's very shitty and hard to use.

And here I'd been thinking for all these years that vim was the front-end to the GCC tool set. Silly me.

Xcode is user friendly provided you're a giant Apple-tool who enjoys features such as:
* non-customisable completion,
* broken key behaviours,
* the necessity to call ^Apple_Script™ to perform the most basic of functions (like killing the whole line of text),
* shitty external editor support,
* a simulator that doesn't relate to the real device in any sensible way,
* and general lack of customisation.

And here I've been thinking for all these years that make was the front-end to the GCC tool set. Silly me.

With version 4 Xcode becomes Apple's proprietary complicated text editor and front end to the LLVM toolchain. Going by the WWDC2010 videos there are many very nice improvements (which I won't be able to take full advantage of as long as I have to support OS X fucking 10.4).

>>1
Since you can get Eclipse for OS X, why would you use Xcode?

>>7
LLVM or Life and Liberty Violation Master-plan, as I like to call it is perhaps the worst thing to happen to the Free software movement since the Xemacs fork.  Just you wait: As soon as the world starts relying on it, Apple will pull the plug and make the whole thing proprietary.  This is the fourth or fifth step in Steve “Overlord” Jobs’ plan for total dominion of the human race and the establishment of a new world order.

>>9
Xemacs was fantastic, a huge step forward, and exactly the push that Emacs needed for anyone to take seriously the idea of developing a proper X11 interface. If not for it, Emacs would probably still be festering in an 80x24 terminal window.

Even if you never intend to use or contribute to LLVM, you should at least recognize the good that it's doing to fuel more ambitious development of GCC. The LLVM guys are just the slap in the face that the GCC team needs to get them to smell the damn coffee and add plugins, and stop being shit-hats about the project and worrying more about their damn principles than about fucking getting something accomplished.

You can't "pull the plug" on an open-source project, people will just fork it and keep developing it.

>>8
Eclipse is a fucking scourge. Eat shit.

>>9
apple can't make the whole thing proprietary. they can make a proprietary fork of it, but then they'll end up with the same problem XFree86 had when they tried that.

>>8
You kinda answered your own question there, champ.

>>12
not really. eclipse is shit, but xcode isn't any better.

>>13
Mind pointing out some specific areas where Eclipse needs improvement?

>>14
it's slow and wastes an insanely huge amount of memory.
also, it's huge.

>>15
it's slow and wastes an insanely huge amount of memory.
If you're a /prog/rider and your enjoyment with your work largely depend on the quality of your hardware, why don't you buy a new PC, so that these reasons don't matter anymore?

also, it's huge.
You were supposed to point out disadvantages, remember?

I'm by no means Eclipse advocate, but your reasons are childish.

It's not that great
I usually use textedit instead of xcode

>>16
I was about to argue about code bloat in place of >>15 but on second thought, to argue about a Java project being bloated would be kind of redundant.

Textmate > XCode.
Watch the screencasts.

>>18
Yes, because bloat has almost no bearing on the quality of software, particularly when the bloat is the extensible customizable type.

why don't you buy a new PC, so that these reasons don't matter anymore?
in this economy? unemployment is at 15%, and doesn't look like it'll be going down anytime soon. i'm sure i'm not the only /prog/rider who's been laid off and hasn't been able to find work.

You were supposed to point out disadvantages, remember?
so using up 213MB of my hard drive for functionality that should fit in less than 50MB is an advantage now?

I'm by no means Eclipse advocate, but your reasons are childish.
says the kid who hasn't graduated yet. wait until you get out in the real world and can't just spend your parents' money on the latest and greatest hardware.

Sad state of affairs, /prog/.

People are making actual arguments for and against Eclipse and IDEs in general, instead of just snarking about them and writing large, sarcastic posts pretending to be their users/developers.

>>20
I wouldn't mind unless that ``extensible customizable type of bloat,, didn't mean that I have to figure out how the beat yet another turd-generating wizard into submission without crashing the session of my ENTERPRISE HOTSPOT VM scrambling to compile it Just-In-Time.

To add insult to injury the wizard is written using BEST PRACTICES and DESIGN PATTERNS which compensate for the single fact that Java isn't LISP. All this effort is wasted just in case someone, someday might actually try to add a WebService interface for automatic turd generation.

>>14,16,18
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