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keyboard Layouts

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 0:59

Is Dvorak or Colemak better for programming?

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 1:22

Keep it in one thread.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 1:26

No, I wanted /prog/'s opinion on it, you know, since some of the people here program I think

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 1:54

is Klingon or Esperanto better for ordering coffee at Starbucks?

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 1:56

If your rate of typing is over 100WPM, it is only a limiting factor if you use a bad language or a bad editor.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 1:58

80 WPM ought to be enough for anyone.

GB2R

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 5:04

>>4
I seriously doubt tlhIngan Hol has words for all the wimpy drinks they sell.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 5:24

>>7
Presumably it'll have words to express my rage when my $5.00 mochafrappafuckawhatta tastes like they pulled the coffee beans outta the garbage disposal.

(when they re-make it, it tastes exactly the same)

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 6:17

>>8
I'd call that supressed homosexual rage

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 12:36

Dvorak is a pain in the ass because most programs bind hotkeys based on where letters are rather than what they are. hjkl in vi, for example, is thoroughly useless.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 12:54

>>10
I'm pretty sure that vi's keybindings are re-bindable.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 12:55

LAYOUT MYANY

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 13:01

>>11
Yeah, but pretty much every key does something. You'd end up propagating a forced set of changes that would make the bindings unrecognizable and most likely destroy existing mnemonics.

If it works out, though, tell me what you did.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 13:27

>>13
I switched back to qwerty, is what I did. Only sensible layout to use, unfortunately.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 14:14

If you use vi

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 14:17

>>11,13
I'm sure someone has written dvorak.vim for exactly this problem.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 14:26

>>3
We just had a thread about this where opinions were given. The consensus was that vim depends on QWERTY so you should use QWERTY.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 14:44

>>14
I switched back to anything but vi, and kept my beautiful dvorak.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 16:19

I use vi and Dvorak, default bindings. It works fine, you just can't hjkl with one hand. Use ed to watch your ASCII porn if that bothers you.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 17:41

>>18
Ok, enjoy the completely awkward reaches necessary to type ^X^S and ^X^C in Emacs.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:06

>>20
It's no more awkward to press ^X than X, or ^C than C.  Assuming you're someone who can, you know, type.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:12

>>21
The pinky is the second most embarrassing place to get RSI.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:28

>>22
You have no one to blame but yourself if you refuse to put the control key on the right place.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:30

>>23
To the left or right of Fn? That is the eternal question.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:35

>>23
I have a sneaking suspicion that you're one of those "have only one control key, and put it where backspace belongs" morons.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:39

>>24
If you put it where the caps lock key is, and turn your hand slightly, then you can rest your pinky on caps (now ctrl) and your other three fingers on s,d and f. I find this pretty comfortable.
The problem now would be C-a, C-z and C-q. I rarely use C-q (quoted-insert) and would use the right ctrl key; C-z (suspend-frame) is almost always a mistake and now annoying to press; C-a is pretty common, but easily reached with pinky and ring finger.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 18:51

>>26
I said "turn your hand slightly", I meant "turn your arm slightly". Another consequence is that it is far easier to reach the meta key.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 19:05

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 19:38

>>26
C-q could be reached with the useless finger quite easily.
C-a can be hit with the trick of pressing two keys with one finger, an action I find quite satisfying.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 19:41

>>29
If any of your fingers is ``the useless finger'', you need to take typing lessons.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 19:44

>>26
If you put ctrl where most keyboards have alt, you can hit it quite easily with your left thumb, and still have all fingers on home row. I have found this layout to be quite comfortable.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 19:49

>>31
I could see how that would work. Where did you move Alt to, the Caps Lock position? Or are you wasting that prime keyboard real estate?

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 21:00

>>25
Backspace never belonged there and Colemak is dumb for not mapping control (much more useful) onto caps lock.

Also, what's wrong with just using your ring finger for C-q, C-z, or C-z? It's not like you're even typing words so you're not really touch typing anyway and keeping it flexible sure doesn't hurt (you don't type "cd" on qwertz with two fingers? What the fuck is wrong with you?).

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 22:21

qwertz
IHBT

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 23:01

Obviously, I meant qwerty.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-08 23:06

I prefer azerty.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-09 2:32

Fuck your face. É,è,à and ù do not deserve a key reserved to each.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-09 3:10

>>33
Asymettrical control keys are for people who can't type.

Name: Anonymous 2010-05-09 9:50


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