Steve champions open standards

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
Discuss.

Doesn't even talk about how their platform is closed.
Just an excuse that sounds good to the press.

h.264 sure as hell isn't "open"

>>2
Doesn't even read the article.
Just a response that sounds good to freetards.

flash sucks but so does apple.

>>3
H.264 is an open standard with a freely available specification.  It's just not free to use where the patents are enforceable.

freetards
back to /g/ please

he doesn't give a fuck about freedom, the iPods and iPad are completely locked down.

>>4
It's a bit more than freetards.
I am perfectly fine with Windows, I'm not fine with iPhone OS and related. There is a difference between having proprietary software on one's system, and not being allowed to run anything but officially approved software. For programmers, that's everything. You know they also ban interpreters and many normal kinds of tools on their iPhone/iPad, just because they don't want people making apps. The only good kind of Apple product is a jailbroken one.

Whoever wins, Google wins

Cool standards-based title image, Steve. Doesn't that font ship with Macs anyway? And doesn't Safari allow font embedding? Well, it suits the company, style over substance and all.

Also, the hypocrisy meter is going to break any second now. "Controlled by Adobe", huh? Yeah, Apple doesn't control any plataform, does it?

OTOH I agree, most sites use Flash horribly¹ (LOL web developers) and the videos are in H-264 anyway, it's common courtesy to put a <video> element in there, at least for fallback.

¹^{Go to your favourite non-Google site with video and see if the Flash object has the wmode property set to transparent, and also see if fullscreen mode uses software video resizing}

>>4
>>2 does have a point, though.  Apple's products as of late - earlier than that some would say - are notoriously tightly controlled.  The worst instance of this is customization, but lately I'm changing my opinion to it being "application approval."  Unless it's approved by Apple you can't run it.  There's no hardware reason a number of things couldn't potentially be run on it; the only thing stopping those is the stroke of a digital monitor which says "Maybe, but not letting you."

I'm not sure what his second point was trying to get at - "You're not missing anything?"  Thanks mom... - but his fourth point is not entirely convincing since it only addresses videos again.  I understand his battery concerns but should worries such as that be left to the user?  As for point five: have the iPad pipe its touchscreen system to produce normal mouse-like input; provide an innate cheap mouse driver adapter.  Flash will be happy it has mouse input; something.  It's not like means around this complication can't be written.

The only point I really agree with is 3.  Flash does have poor security and performance from time to time.  Just because "Flash has not performed well on mobile devices" doesn't mean you should bar your user base from trying.

>>12
Wait until we see OS XI.
I can't wait until Firefox is blocked from the Mac App Store.

>>3
Typical brainwashed GNU/Xiph sheep. The H.264 specification is free for download here: http://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=e&id=T-REC-H.264-200903-S!PDF-E

A free decoder (LGPL, good but ~15% slower than the leading ones): http://git.ffmpeg.org/?p=ffmpeg;a=tree;f=libavcodec (h264* files mostly)

A free encoder (GPL, extremely high quality that beats all commercial encoders that I know about): http://git.videolan.org/gitweb.cgi?p=x264.git;a=tree

Perhaps your concern are patents? In that case, I suggest you stop using your computer immediately, because at least the hardware is highly patent encumbered, and chances are the software you're using on it is covered by patents too.

>>14
Completly agree. Patents are stupid (and software patents are beyond stupid), but in some countries they're there to stay, so a commercial company would probably have to pay royaltees to avoid getting sued for certain things, but when it comes to H.264 and casual users, pretty much everyone breaks those patents.

>>14
Troll harder.

>>13
I can't wait until Firefox is blocked from the Mac App Store.
There won't be a Mac App Store. Steve Jobs even said so. And has Steve Jobs ever lied to you? I mean, in this room? Trust him.

>>14
Both that encoder and that decoder are likely the most popular H.264 software in use. Most people that want H.264 decoding, install ffdshow(which contains ffmpeg, which uses libavcodec for H.264 decoding) or VLC or mplayer(which use it too) on. Those that don't install ffdshow or the other players, may install some codec pack which eventually installs ffdshow. THe other alternatives seem to be Flash' which is crappier, and CoreAVC and a few other less popular ones. As for x264, I don't need to mention that pretty much every recent(and even going back some 3-5 years) hdtv rip, bd rip, fansub, ... is encoded with it. Google uses it to encode for youtube. Most other sites use it too. Some broadcasters use it (some rarely needed x264 patches are due to them). I even bet some BDs might have been encoded with it recently, but not as many because they haven't gotten full BD compliance except recently (BD compliance means that videos are to be encoded using certain very tight rules which will assure proper playback on all standalones. x264 has traditionally pushed the boundries with how a H.264 stream can be encoded, which leads to much smaller bitrates, however in cases, bugs in software players are found, which may require updating, which is not something standalones can do that often.).

tl;dr: libavcodec and x264 are leading H.264 software, and they're both widely used, both in compliance and in defiance of the H.264 patent.

I see you're H.264 and raise you an H.265: http://ftp3.itu.ch/av-arch/jctvc-site/2010_04_A_Dresden/

Several of these proposals increase encoding efficiency about 40%, which is amazing (almost half the size). However even the fastest ones (such as A124) incur performance penalty factors higher than 2. For the desktop CPUs that are shipping today this means going beyond 720p is a very dangerous proposition, but for "internet video" postage stamp sized shitte it's very appealing.

The proportion of ching chong chang names in that page is rather worrying though.

>>14
Hardware patents that don't affect software are not a problem. The H.264 system is covered by software patents. If you can sell copies libavcodec or VLC in any jurisdiction recognising H.264 software patents without needing to pay any fee, then great. If not, the free software community could not share this software within these jurisdictions. The fact these are GPL will not help citizens in these jusrisdictions.

>>17
And has Steve Jobs ever lied to you? I mean, in this room? Trust him.
Diggican-American detected. Don't bring those memes here.

>>17
That's only because they will discontinue the Mac and replace it with mouse-controlled iPads in laptop and desktop form factor.

>>21
Hi, you must be new to the internet. That "meme" started long before Digg, and long before people started calling everything in sight a "meme".

>>19
Why are there so many asian authors?

>>24
If that bothers you, you could always make your own, but it's not like video compression is that of an easy topic. Most of the current mainstread compression does build on each other, with more new concepts and features added on top each time... it all began with DCT transforms...

>>1
If he'd stopped before getting to the part where he basically says "if we give them rope they will hang themselves", I'd actually agree with him.

>>24
Because Americans learned somewhere along the line that business, not science, is the only way to be respectable in America.

A few other countries have had the same revelation. India and China have not.

>>27
Give China a few more years. They'll figure it out.
India, on the other hand, is doomed to be an ass-backwards shithole for all eternity.

>>28
India became a shithole by being so huge. It's a spontaneous goatse on the surface of the earth.

http://hugoroy.eu/jobs-os.php

>>27-29
VALID /newpol/ CONTENT

>>28
Your implication is that India is a shithole because they value science over business. Are you sure that's what you wanted to say?

>>32
I think he just doesn't like Indians. Also, >>31.

>>33
>>28 here, I have nothing against Indians who are smart enough to get out of India.

>>32
Yes. Science by itself is just mental masturbation.

>>34
And business is a nobler pursuit... why, exactly? I swear, capitalist states do a better job of brainwashing their citizens than commies ever did.

brainwash my anus

>>34
Brainwashing aside, you're saying India values science over business? India?

>>37
India values cow feces over business and science both, I'm sure we can all agree on that.

This shit will go down exactly like 90's Mac OS with Google in the role of Microsoft.

>>38
What do you think India values higher than cow feces, then?

>>40
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