Kimmo Alm aka "Sysop" from AnT has been spamming us for YEARS now, and has recently stepped it up. This shit has got to fucking stop. As promised, here are all of the e-mails he has sent me over the years (and my responses).
We've done all we can do about him. We've banned THOUSANDS of proxies, and deleted OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND spam posts. His attacks continue though. I'm out of ideas at this point.
This text contains all of the e-mails Kimmo Alm aka Sysop has sent me. It also contains all of my responses, and a few of the e-mails sent to our host.
It's formatted kind of poorly. If anyone wants to clean this up/HTMLize it so it's easier to read, be my guest. Just e-mail it to me and I'll host it.
See http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Anontalk.com for the backstory. The short of it is Kimmo has been spamming 4chan for YEARS.
We've banned THOUSANDS of IPs, and deleted at least a hundred thousand spam posts at this point.
He spams 4chan to advertise his website, which is really just a haven for pedophiles.
On to the fun stuff! (My comments in '**'s)
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**Here's the first e-mail he ever sent. He later claims he didn't, but that's bullshit (see headers).**
Hello. Please respond to this if you are reading it. We both want to end
attacks and spam on both boards.
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:54:57 -0500
From: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
I'm pretty sure any problems you have with 4chan would disappear if you
stopped advertising/"spamming" on 4chan.
On 2/4/10 6:47 PM, AT Sysop wrote: Hello. Please respond to this if you are reading it. We both want to end attacks and spam on both boards.
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To: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:17:27 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
I'm pretty sure any problems you have with 4chan would disappear if you stopped advertising/"spamming" on 4chan.
(Apparently, you don't know your own users...)
I did send you several e-mails about this in the past but they apparently
got ignored. I hope that you will read and consider this, in case you
actually never got the old e-mails. Or maybe reconsider it, if you did and
just ignored them.
None of us like each other, obviously, but I still seriously propose that
we set up some sort of mutual link exchange. This would obviously cut down
on any spam to the level of "few trolls trying to stir up a war", and
hopefully, not even that would happen after a while.
I actually used to have a free banner text for 4chan, linking to "/b/"
with a text such as "Tired of using your brains? Relax and enjoy images."
(or something alone those lines). I would be prepared to bring that back,
as well as removing all the banned phrases related to "4chan". In return,
I expect you would put a rotating text or graphical banner (doesn't
matter) on the 4chan boards. It doesn't need to get heavy "weight" or
anything, as long as it sticks around and is permanent.
I really think that this would solve a ton of problems and I frankly
cannot imagine why you would turn this offer down at this point.
Hopefully, you will not. We don't need to like each other. The two boards
obviously serve completely different needs, and I would very happily get
rid of "sloppy" posters who just want to use memes and such. At the same
time, I do recognize that there are people with brains surfing your board,
and nothing stops them from using both.
As I suggested the last time, I'm OK with rather "unflattering" ad texts
such as: "Feeling anal-retentive? Then check out AnonTalk.com!". However,
it would be nice if we could agree on the specifics. I'm prepared to do
this within hours.
Think about it. Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to
spam/"raid" either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to
disagree.
Excitedly awaiting your response.
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:30:53 -0500
From: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
This is the only e-mail I've received from you:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Why bully loli?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:31:10 +0100
From: Kimmo Alm <kimmoa@gmail.com>;
To: moot@4chan.org
Why do you bully loli?
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We don't do any external links, besides paid banner ads. Essentially
you're extorting a text link out of me to stop spamming 4chan?
> Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid"
either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.
4channers wouldn't give two shits about AnonTalk if you stopped spamming
4chan. All you've done for the past two years is use spam on 4chan as a
means to advertise your website.
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To: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:35:36 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
This is the only e-mail I've received from you:
What the hell? I definitely haven't sent anything related to "bullying
loli", and especially not to you. That must be yet another person
pretending to be me.
I've sent several e-mails such as this one a number of months ago. They
never received any replies.
We don't do any external links, besides paid banner ads. Essentially you're extorting a text link out of me to stop spamming 4chan?
No, that's not what I'm saying. Did you read the letter?
> Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid" either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.
> 4channers wouldn't give two shits about AnonTalk if you stopped spamming 4chan. All you've done for the past two years is use spam on 4chan as a means to advertise your website.
Right. You apparently choose to ignore the real issue and assume things in
order to dismiss this very serious proposal.
I really thought that you would see things differently, but apparently
not. In a few days, AT is two years old and it would have been a great
"fresh start" to not have any chantards constantly coming there to scream
and post junk due to "spam" in threads.
You think advertising is free on AT? It's not. I was (and still am, but
not for long) prepared to give you a prominent backlink as well, but you
seem completely uninterested in this.
It would be a simple matter of displaying a small link randomly on every
Xth page load across the boards. If you don't already have such a system
in order, which I believe you do, it would be extremely easy to code.
The offer still stands, but this really is the last time I'm going to try
to reason with you. I actually do have better things to do than sending
fruitless e-mails.
(I can make a small custom graphical banner if you want, and you can get a
(static) image banner as well.)
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 3:34
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:54:48 -0500
From: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
> The offer still stands
Your offer is: "I will stop spamming you if you link to me."
Am I missing something here?
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To: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:14:45 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
> The offer still stands
> Your offer is: "I will stop spamming you if you link to me."
No, that's not it. It's: "If both of us link to each other's board, which
are not in direct competition, this should finally stop most/all problems
related to attacks and counter attacks."
Am I missing something here?
Yes. I must say that I thought that you would either not respond at all,
or do respond positively.
Do you have any idea how much money, time and grey hairs your users and
their damn attacks have cost me? You let them go on. I'm saying that I'm
willing to look past that for the greater good, but you insist on being
hostile. I won't start praising 4chan all of a sudden -- I think its users
have done far more damage to the Internet than anything else -- but it
can't be denied that it's got traffic, with a certain number of posters
who would also make great "AnTs", and that's why I care.
If you don't respond to this, or yet again ignore what I write, I'll know
that you're not interested, and in that case, I will give up all attempts
to talk to you and won't contact you again. Otherwise (and I really hope
that this will be the case), I can have the 4chan ad active very quickly.
You don't need to make a big deal out of it (such as announcing it in any
way) if you fear user reactions.
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:42:23 -0500
From: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Why would I want you to link to me?
I'd like for you to stop spamming (read: advertising) on 4chan. None of
my users would bother with your site if you weren't spamming it non-stop.
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**He stopped e-mailing me after that. The next encounter happened a few weeks later.**
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:45:09 +0100
To: moot@4chan.org
Subject: What the fuck is this tiny.4chan.org clone bullshit?
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
What the hell is this illegal clone of my work doing hosted with you? Yet
more spam to block from you.
I strongly suggest that you remove any affiliation with the illegal clone
ASAP or legal action will be taken.
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**I didn't respond. He then sent the following to me 9 times:**
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Subject: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
To: moot@4chan.org
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:05:05 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately. You will
regret this. Believe me. Don't fuck with me.
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**To which I responded:**
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:25:22 -0500
From: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Subject: Re: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
Sorry, I didn't see those first few e-mails you sent. Please contact me
at my primary e-mail address to expedite future delivery: sysop@4chan.org.
Thank you in advance.
On 2/28/10 7:05 PM, AT Sysop wrote: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately. You will regret this. Believe me. Don't fuck with me.
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**He responded with this. Note that he actually e-mailed sysop@4chan.org :trollface:**
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To: sysop@4chan.org
Subject: Re: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:31:07 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Sorry, I didn't see those first few e-mails you sent. Please contact me at my primary e-mail address to expedite future delivery: sysop@4chan.org.
> Thank you in advance.
That's not your primary e-mail address, you psychotic troll.
Remove that crap from your servers or I will have your domain name
deactivated and you kicked out from your host. This time, you are
blatantly hosting illegal material, knowingly. Not even you will get away
with this.
First you clone the Japanese board, and now my work. You just can't seem
to create anything original, can you?
I unbanned the banned phrase "4chan" at AT and asked you very nicely for a
link exchange to end the "war", and this is how you respond? You have some
sort of mental illness. I will not drop this.
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**He then sent me this three times:**
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To: moot@4chan.org
Subject: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain
name and hosting services.
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:02:52 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name
and hosting services.
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Name:
for posterity2010-03-11 3:35
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**I replied:**
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:59:38 -0500
From: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Subject: Re: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your
domain name and hosting services.
I'm unsure of what the issue is. 4chan is almost seven years old, and
that subdomain has existed since 2003. That predates AnT, no?
On 2/28/10 10:02 PM, AT Sysop wrote: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name and hosting services.
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**My logic did not please him :(**
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To: moot <moot@4chan.org>;
Subject: Re: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your
domain name and hosting services.
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:19:19 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
I'm unsure of what the issue is. 4chan is almost seven years old, and that subdomain has existed since 2003. That predates AnT, no?
You are extremely sure of what the issue is. The subdomain has certainly
NOT existed since 2003. Why are you a liar?
And it's "AT" -- not "AnT". I can't even tell if you're seriously this
stupid or a troll.
Just remove the damn thing.
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**I got like fifty of the following three messages:**
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Subject: If I still see spam for your illegal clone in 12 hours, you will
regret the day you were born.
To: moot@4chan.org
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:32:00 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
If I still see spam for your illegal clone in 12 hours, you will regret
the day you were born.
Get that FUCKING clone off the Internet or you will lose your domain name
4chan.org and your hosting setup. I'm not kidding.
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Subject: I will continue contacting your domain registrar and server host
until the domain is deactivated or the subdomain and illegal AT clone is gone
from your server.
To: moot@4chan.org
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:42:22 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
I will continue contacting your domain registrar and server host until the
domain is deactivated or the subdomain and illegal AT clone is gone from
your server.
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Subject: This is your very last warning and the last e-mail I will ever send
to you.
To: moot@4chan.org
From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>;
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:21:56 +0100
I'm NOT going to let you get away with stealing my hard work and
pretending that you're the author.
If you don't remove the illegal clone of my Web site immediately, you are
going to lose your domain name 4chan.org, your hosting provider and huge
amounts of money. I am going to ruin you. Do you understand what I'm
saying? This is not some fucking joke or "game".
Remove it RIGHT NOW or you WILL regret it, you complete psycho thief
dipshit.
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**So those are all the e-mails he's sent me over the past few years. Now here are some of the awesome ones he sent our host!**
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**He sent variations of this a bunch of times:**
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-----Original Message-----
From: AT Sysop [mailto:sysop@anontalk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:36
To: noc@securedprivatenetwork.net
Subject: You are STILL hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on your servers. Legal action will be taken very soon.
Importance: High
You are still hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on
your servers. Remove it immediately or I will sue you for $100,000/day.
Respond to me ASAP.
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-----Original Message-----
From: AT Sysop [mailto:sysop@anontalk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 13:24
Subject: Re: You are STILL hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on your servers. Legal action will be taken very soon.
Sysop-
> I am still awaiting your response to the DMCA counter-notification per requirement. Per the requirement of the DMCA, we are REQUIRED to permit the content of the DMCA until you provide information regarding the lawsuit filed in district court.
> As soon as we get this, we are more than happy to assist you further. However, we must get this PRIOR to further action being taken against this customer.
You are not REQUIRED to permit illegal content on your servers. You just
DON'T WANNA remove it. You don't FEEL like it, because you don't like me,
my Web site, my "tone" or whatever reason you might have for keeping this
"game" up. I'm not stupid. If you actually wanted to, the site would be
gone within nano seconds. You choose to keep this psychopath because you
want to make it difficult for me.
This is typical. WHY do you have to keep making my life an obnoxious hell?
I have WORK to do; I can't spend all my time dealing with these fucking
uncooperative companies that don't know their own good.
I won't send you any more documents. You will either remove the illegal
content from your God damn server OR face the consequences. I am DONE
filling out these bullshit forms and sending them in to you and other
people who don't even read them. Handle this immediately or you'll regret
it. I promise you this. This is not an empty threat by some nobody -- it
is a serious matter which will eventually run your company into
bankruptcy. It may take some time, but I will not forget this.
PS: I have no idea who you are and I don't have anything against
you personally. My issue is with your company and how you are handling
legitimate abuse complaints.
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**He proceeded to spam their ticket system with hundreds upon hundreds of e-mails. He also threatened a tech.**
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I think that's about it. Kimmo has sent all sorts of great e-mails to Jan Martin of Tinychan, most of which are on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
He's also posted all sorts of crazy bulletins on his site, which are also archived in various places
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 3:45
Autoban set for unicode filter for anything which:
a regexp /[set of characters for a][optional separators][set of characters for n][optional separators][set of characters for o][optional separators][set of characters for n][optional separators][set of characters for t][optional separators][set of characters for a][optional separators][set of characters for l][optional separators][set of characters for k]/
Anything which triggers this gets a 24 hour ban and post is rejected. Would this work?
Modified Bayesian spam filter starting from existing 100,000+ banned posts (if they have a record of them). Continued through some kind of reporting mechanism.
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 4:07
>>4
This is so stupid. How can you people be so stupid? No! This won't! It's like you're telling him, please change your spamming program, we're blocking your current one. And it will ban so many harmless users as well.
Do not reject posts, do not ban anyone. Make him think his posts are coming through. Delete them in 5 minutes ~ 1 hour. Make it look like work of an army of janitors.
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 4:12
>Delete them in 5 minutes ~ 1 hour.
And how is it different from just allowing the threads expire?
>>8-9 what we can do.
edit: we aren't going to add captcha.
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 4:47
Well, I'm not sure, but it seems the Anontalk founder is a gigantic asswipe (this was widely known before, but now we have some proof). He just invites more attacks on his pedophile hangout. Everyone would be happy if he just disappeared (and by disappear, I invite everyone to push him off a bridge should they happen to pass by him).
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 4:48
>>10
translation:
We depend on retards who can't solve captchas.
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 4:51
It doesn't even have to be a text captcha it can click the dog in the picture.
Name:
Anonymous2010-03-11 4:54
>>13
Image map: click the silhouette of third dog head form the lamp.
Isn't spamming a federal crime nowadays? Why doesn't moot send some lawyers after him? No one can host a web sight without leaving at least some traces of his identity.
>>24
Because people like you would stop bumping these fucking threads. The bug always existed and sometiems accidentally happened, but /prog/ wasn't full of assholes who bumped threads.
>>25
Remember when it was just you, me and the Sussman? Seems like just last week. Now we have to put up with that guy, and I don't mean Mr. HMA (which I still say is Sussman.)
<Mod> There are 0 posts on 4chan containing the phrase "up the butt"
20:04 <Mod> sets mode +b *!*@I.watch.railgun.for.the.plot
<- gLinuxAYtk was kicked from 4chan by <Mod> (Reason: up the butt, charizard)
Use a question/answer captcha for the textboards, with questions relevant to the board. For example:
/prog/ - "Have you read your ____ today?", "Who is the ANTICUDDER?", "What programming language uses keywords such as 'staðvær' and 'fyrir'?"
/lounge/ - "The pleasure of being ______ _______", "What does Moses do?", "RON PAUL?"
/comp/ - "help can u instal firefox plugn", "heynfags cna get userscript?", "is 4chan down"
/sjis/ - ":::: ＼ ＞ :::", "＿＿＿＿人＿＿＿＿＿ ﾉ ", ";...|n|┘_``"
A decent sized question set will both help cut back on spam and also reduce the number of idiots wandering in from /b/.
Seriously, when replying /prog/'s could be reduced to accurately completing HMA on the last verb (matched from a dictionary) of the last post in the thread.
>>83
Not so failed on my part. I was behaving as though a more idealized challenge filter were in place, where the most relevant verb is chosen instead. Perl doesn't have ACME::HMA::Verb::Relevance that I know of, so it's not likely to happen (especially since the challenge filter is likely to be written in PHP, which admittedly is all ACME::-level stuff, but not nearly as sophisticated.)
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>>100
What I don't get is why the text board spam is always for prom and wedding dresses. Of the 2 women on the text boards, I don't think either will be taken to a prom or get married.
>>116
Why must we have this shit every few months. Can't people remember this exploit and avoid it. I just stop reading /prog/ whenever people stop being nice to each other and breaking the board on purposes. It's pretty obvious by now that it won't be fixed anytime soon, this bug has been known for a very long time.