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Hackers and fighters

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 13:12

You will never be a fifth of the man he is, /prog/riders.

http://zedshaw.com/essays/master_and_expert.html

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 13:20

Back to reddit, please

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 13:25

zedshaw
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Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 13:38

1. Keep things small.  If you even think about Greenlets, Twisted, factory
patterns, XML, or Java then you are doing it wrong.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 14:10

I consider myself an advanced expert

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 14:18

Knuth is basically a “master amateur”.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 14:21

You think you can take me, I’ll
pay to rent a boxing ring and beat your fucking ass legally. Remember that
I’ve studied enough martial arts to be deadly even though I’m old, and I don’t
give a fuck if I kick your mother fucking ass or you kick mine. You don’t like
what I’ve said, then write something in reply but fuck you if you think you’re
gonna talk to me like you can hurt me.

Name: MDickie 2009-12-28 14:24

I could replace that kid with an artist...

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 16:12

I AM A MASTER PROGRAMMER, I WROTE A GAME OF LIFE SIMULATION IN ONE LINE OF APL WHEN I WAS 300 YEARS OLD.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 17:38

>>7
Say that to my face not online and see what happens

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:14

zs;dr

But I actually have read it and this is one of my favorite parts:
Yes, sorry professors, if you can’t get fired for missing a deadline then you aren’t a real programmer working in the real world.
That's right -- and TeX isn't real software, and nobody writes real documents with it.

Zed Shaw sounds like an annoying war veteran. ``Master amateur''. I can almost hear him say: "you can't know, son; you weren't there". But the truth is he hasn't actually been to any wars, he's just a whiny ruby programmer.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:17

>>11
excellent dis.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:18

>>11
Did I ever tell you 'bout The 'Nam, son? Back in '68, was Da Nang province, up to our waists in rice paddies...

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:22

>>13
TELL MY ABOUT MY ANUS

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:25

Zed Shaw ... he's just a whiny ruby programmer.
Took you this long to figure that out ;) Why is our field populated by people who adore twats like him?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:33

>>14
Your anus is very sore, which is to be excepted given your lifestyle choices.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:49

>>16
LISP programming?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:53

which is to be excepted
NO EXCEPTIONS

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 18:53

>>17
I highly doubt that Lisp is a part of your lifestyle, since you are too ignorant to name it correctly.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 19:06

LISP is old school

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 19:36

Lisp is all about shoving carrots up your ass.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 21:37

>>21
And thus the student became enlightened

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-28 21:39

>>15
because he can take on little pussies like u anyday he wont waste time talkin w/ gay dipshits who spend their time in front of their computer he'd just punch u in the face. in fact he could just tell u im going 2 punch u in the face and youd cry cuz u wuldnt b able to handle the adrenaline. your all just little failures whose never been in a fight

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-29 0:08

Well Jesus, Zed, if only you realized that "elegance" isn't that simple. And ironically, half that essay could have been cut and the message would have remained intact. "Don't complicate things." "This industry is TOO ENTERPRISE." Zed, please continue to share your wisdom and austerity with us all.

Granted, he gave himself an out. He's an "advanced expert," not a "master." Whether or not he was being facetious there, the fact remains that he himself admits that he is not qualified to talk about this. So this essay was an exploration of an idea, then? No, he says that he's done with that. He's a crotchety old man, after all. So we're left with nothing. One big waste of time.

Fuck Zed Shaw. What is the purpose behind whining for some 15 paragraphs about how there's no one in the computer science industry for Zed Shaw to look up to? What will this teach the community? To make code that Zed Shaw likes? If that -- nary a concrete detail to scrape from that vacant lot of an essay. Sure, there are empty buzzwords to discard -- but Zed, empty is empty. That goes both ways.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-29 0:31

What will this teach the community?
That being a bad programmer or having social issues are not mutually exclusive.

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