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Why the obsession with lisp?

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 2:20

((Seriously (what is) so) (great about) lisp)

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 2:27

The metaprogramming, the focus on semantics rather than syntax, and EACH LISPERS FAVOURITE FEATURE X that still isn't in "modern" programming languages (or is usually hacked up)

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 2:28

>>2
Is it true that learning it will make me better in other languages?

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 2:28

Stop making these threads and go learn some Lisp instead.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 2:36

>>3
There's no guarantees, of course, but I certainly think I became a better coder after learning Lisp that may just be the Sudden Lisp Weenie Syndrome kicking in, although the same could probably be said for other exotic languages like Haskell, Erlang or Smalltalk

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 2:44

>>3
You will gain new perspectives which may allow you to write better code in other languages, but it may also cause you pain to have to write in lesser languages, like a C coder would be forced to write in BASIC. Don't say I haven't warned you, if you do learn Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 4:24

Homoiconity is convenient. "Holy shit I don't have to worry about serializing data any more!"
Functional programming is convenient, too. "Holy shit I can test things seperately!"
et cetera.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 11:01

>>7
Functional programming is convenient, too. "Holy shit I can test things seperately!"
et cetera.
That's not what functional programming is.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 13:58

I don't understand it either, OP. 
I dare any of these "elite lisp programmers" with their "alien technology" to do any real programming.  No wanking away on AIs are useless crap like that:
Can you actually build a GUI program that does something useful that end users would want to do?
I haven't seen one yet.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 14:07

All you can do with functional programming languages is computing factorials.

There hasn't been a single (industrially) successful program written with, for example, Haskell. Prove me wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 14:09

>>9

Ideally you're your only end user.

/prog/ is not for commercial programming

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 14:22

>>11

heh, elitist wanker.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 14:34

>>9
http://www.lemonodor.com/archives/images/rainer-lisp-machine-3.jpg

Lisp machines were coded with (not surprisingly) Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 15:05

Lisp is sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants.  I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart.  This language is totally awesome and that's a fact.  Lisp is fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet.  I can't wait to start at MIT next year.  I love lisp with all of my body (including my pee pee).

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 15:33

>>9
No UI eh? http://lispm.dyndns.org/symbolics-ui-examples/symbolics-ui-examples.html there's also dozens of others examples floating around the Internet, and there's some modern UI toolkits for CL, but besides CLIM and the commercial ones, they're not used too often, as most Lisp applications nowadays are either written for oneself as >>11 said, or for one's customers or company(in-house). It's rare for Lisp programmers to write commercial applications that you shrink-wrap and sell, but I've seen one just the other month, it was done using Qt for GUI and everything else was done in CL and build with ECL, it was a fairly tiny and snappy app, but it did not interest me, as I already had something similar made for personal use.

Would I make a fancy GUIs for my Lisp tools? I've considered doing a CLIM-like GUI, or just my own custom interface for one project, but before I even begin to consider that, I have much more complex problems to solve(such as writing compilers) than to have time to write a GUI/IDE for it. Maybe someday when everything is solved, I could spend some time for easier user interaction, but for now, Emacs/SLIME is just enough interaction for me, and if I want, I can easily build a standalone version. Since the tools I make are mostly for myself, and other experienced people like myself, GUIs are just a curious thought for the future, but nowhere near a priority.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 17:55

>>14
They use Python now, not Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 18:30

LISP

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 18:33

>>16
For the first year classes yes, who's to say they don't use it in later ones

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-04 18:36

>>9
Emacs

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-05 3:35

>>15
I came.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-05 16:44

Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about LISP?

A: LISP is the ultimate paradox. On the one hand no one gives a crap about it, but on the other hand, LISP defenders' arguments are very careful and precise.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-05 16:51

Q: I heard that LISP is always lean or mean.  What's their problem?
A: Whoever told you that is a total liar.  Just like other languages, LISP can be mean OR totally awesome.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-05 17:51

>>21
The Defenders of LISP is a pretty cool name.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 4:03

LISP is the abusive husband and /prog/ is the clumsy wife that keeps walking into doors.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 4:17

>>1
list about great so is what Seriously
Translated into valid factor code

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 4:19

>>1

Well he's a troll, since the parentheses are actually balanced.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 15:37

>>26
PARENTHESIZE MY ANUS

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 18:24

they're called brackets people.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 18:40

>>27
(YOUR ANUS)

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 18:47

>>1
Lisp is the original [code]Trollgol[code], and it's still unparaled in that capacity.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 18:48

>>1
Lisp is the original Trollgol, and it's still unparaled in that capacity.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 18:51

*unparalleled

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 20:05

>>30
>>31
>>32
Faggotry.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-06 21:56

>>9 Theory Y Algebra

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-07 3:18

>>15
fuck! i mean FUCK!
finnaly i got it. enterpise programming has nothing to do with programming. it's all about marketing, management and all that crappy shit. fuck.
those screens are from 84, the time ms-dos had only command line with dosen stupid commands.
greedy assholes like MS, that's why we can't have hice things. and that's why i had to fuck with fucking foxpro on my current job.
FUCK.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-07 7:48

>>33
Hey. Fuck you.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-07 8:29

>>34
Hey, kt

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-07 13:39

>>37

Nah, I'm not Tilton. He does plenty of shameless self-promotion, but didn't stoop so low as to spam /prog/.

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