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origin of nix zealot retardation

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 6:29

Once upon a time, there was a man who had an innovative idea. He had a vision, and followed up with an answer could solve a set of real world problems. Fortunately, he also found a way to communicate the solution to other people. Others got involved, either because they bought into the idealistic plans ("With this idea, we can change the world, and make it a better place!") or because they saw pragmatic opportunities ("I can make a living by selling this stuff"). People worked together; not always smoothly, but with a shared common goal. A small team grew into a larger one, and then an even larger one, and eventually into a huge organization impacting millions, maybe billions of dollars.

But as the organization grew, the spark of creativity sputtered. What was once fun became business-as-usual. What was business-as-usual became cut-throat. The original visionary began to believe the press releases of his marketing department and forgot others's contributions; at a minimum, he became distant from the needs of the "real people" whom he'd once sincerely wanted to serve. Many years later, insiders (if not outsiders) saw the rot at the core: an organization driven by political power, run by people whose ethics were questionable-at-best, generating shoddy "solutions" that were far more polished than the initial offerings but also far less satsifying. Today, many people are comfortable in describing the organization as evil; yet the individuals I've encountered who work for the organization are just as convinced that their answer is Right as they ever were, and some of them are brilliant people who never lost the idealistic belief that they're making the world a better place.

The sad fact is that human history is littered with such failures of personal power and thus failures of organizational effectiveness. Almost every big change in human history has been led by someone with a great new big idea, whether that's a spiritual enhancement, a business model, or a technology innovation. My description could apply to any of hundreds of once-idealistic efforts led by men and women who believed their business-not-as-usual answer is a (or more commonly the or the only) right answer to solve a perceived weakness.

Open source certainly fulfills the initial qualities: a group of dedicated people who truly want to make the world a better place, and who address themselves to communicating its benefits. I want open source to succeed, so I have heightened my awareness to Things That Can Go Wrong. Perhaps this is because I am essentially a worry wart; maybe it's because I watched the earlier organization crumble. (And no, I'm not going to mention what organization it is, so don't bother asking.)

I'm not the only person to get worked up about such things. The first time I interviewed Mark Shuttleworth, we discussed my earlier career as an OS/2 activist, and the ways in which Team OS/2 fell apart. Shuttleworth asked me if Linux could fail in the same way OS/2 did. No, I said—not in the same way. But both of us certainly have our community-sensors tuned to things that could lead to failure.

So I found myself moaning: When teams and organizations work, they are the most wonderful things. Speaking from personal experience, I can say that there is nothing as rewarding as the certainty that you're improving the quality of life for the people around you, and few highs as wonderful as working with people who share your vision.

But when the teams and organizations fail... why is it so damned easy to head into evil? Why is it so easy for us humans to agree only on that which is destructive, and for goals-and-purposes to be lost, even among people who share the highest purposes?

Perhaps I can't come up with an objective answer to how the idealistic spark sputters, only to be replaced, without anybody noticing, by a cultish gleam. But as tuned as I am to the process, I've given a bit of thought to the early-warning signals that a group is on its way down that path. Unfortunately most of the books on the damage caused by cults and the sites that describe how cults work assume ill intent (on the part of someone) and rarely acknowledge the higher goal. They only recognize the state after it's well-established and (at least in the Anti-this-organization viewpoint) harming its members.

I have, however, noticed several signs that an organization is moving towards cult status, or at least towards self-destruction. Among them:

    * People become less important than the goal. This is a key point; everything becomes serious instead of a joyful exercise in sharing knowlege and helping one another. Organizationally, it means that the goals are subservient to the process. In computing terms, it means that the "purity" of open source (whatever the heck that might be) is more important than the users or than creating useful software that helps others.
    * The world is increasingly divided into "us" and "them." And "them" is not acceptable unless they see the universe from our worldview. Early in the organization's history, the "better way" meant only that people had a choice, and that "we" couldn't wait until others discovered and appreciated the alternative. There's no such thing as an enemy, to the idealists, just those who are as-yet-unaware of this WayCool Neat Thing We Have.

Bit by bit, the attitude shifts from "Hey folks, take a look at this great alternative" to "If you don't accept our answer as the only answer, there's something seriously wrong with you." (This is the point at which your family sighs and rolls their eyes.) As an organization makes the ever-so-subtle transition towards cult status, someone is cast as a villain and activities to "destroy the enemy" gain value. People fail to see "destroy the enemy" as the distraction it is — but the primary victims are the group's goal and the group's membership. This is also the point at which the organization loses its effectiveness, because the participants (or at least its leaders) no longer recognize the difference between criticism that has merit (and thus respond appropriately) and overt destructive attacks.

http://www.itworld.com/open-source/81751/decline-and-fall-idealistic-spark

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 6:38

The brief version:
Fanboys are idiots who're unscientific and ultimately destructive

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 7:05

>>2
and your moms a whore

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 7:07

>>3
you were adopted, your parents don't love you, and it's you're fault they got divorced.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 7:20

>>4
I lol'd heartily.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 7:21

>>4
all true
and I don't give a fuck about it

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 9:50

http://www.google.pl/search?q=%22littered+with+such+failures+of+personal+power%22

And the original article has nothing to do with Unix.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 10:43

The article was written by a woman. All women are whores.

I HOPE NONE OF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT A WHORE HAS TO SAY

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 10:47

That article applies to Lispers.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 10:49

>>8
After reading the article and seeing her picture, I'd like to lick the inside of her mouth.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 10:52

>>10

you'd like to what?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 11:30

>>9
EVERYTHING applies to Lispers, that's how important we are.

In the comments someone wrote
Will they tell me I'm an idiot for not using Linux, or will they prove to me that Linux really is that much better than Windows -- not just a little bit, but far, far better than Windows, thus making the time spent converting all my documents and data worth while? Until then, I'll keep swearing at my Windows machine, convinced that if I switch to Linux I'll be swearing just as much.
The fact that I almost never swear at my computer any more, is the only argument I use to convince people to switch away from MS products. This little fan boy is growing up, it's been a long time coming ;)

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 13:27

>>12
Ugh...

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-26 22:26

Now I understand.

However, I think being an OS troll (regardless of the OS of choice) is still 75% extreme mental retardation.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-27 8:53

>>14
No, it's 50% eltism/counter-elitism and 50% abject fear of being perceived as inapt or inferior.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-27 8:54

*elitism

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-28 21:23

somebody should pay me money to kill OS trolls

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-28 21:27

>>17
you have neither the skills nor the manliness required to kill people.
quit living in a fantasy world

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 0:38

>>18
I'm not >>17-chan, but I have those skills and manliness. I served in the Army.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 6:33

>>19
Please kill OS trolls

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 6:53

>>19
This is Sussman *crack* You must fight the OS trolls!

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 9:20

>>21
No, Sussman.  You are the trolls.

And then the Sussman was enlightened.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 13:35

>>19
I'm not >>17 either, but so did I. Where were you stationed?

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-03 4:11


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