Visual Studio 2010

Thoughts?

kawaii

More bloated shit for cranking out even more shittily written bloated enterprise quality bullshit shit.

>>3
ENTERPRISE QUALITY

>>3
You remind me of a faggot who was in some of my classes last year and never knew when to stop talking.
He constantly said "Linux this. Linux that. Linux is so great. Why do I need to install SQL on my Linux computer? It is so bloated and stupid and retarded and stains my beautiful Linux computer".
Needless to say, he failed miserably.
Turns out he couldn't write code for shit, even though he was constantly saying shit about others work.
Kinda funny how it all turns out.

Why do I need to install SQL on my Linux computer?
One word the preinstallation of sqlite

>>1
The "fuzzy tag" parser seems interesting, IntelliSense was a wonderful feature (but was also doomed to failure in practice due to its shortcomings). I'll have to see how the development goes.

I find the inability to remove ClearType to be utterly abhorrent. I fucking HATE seeing muddied, blurry pixels in my font. The latest MSN has this same failure. Microsoft, if you're reading this, DO AWAY WITH IT! Or at least give the option to turn it the fuck off. There's a reason why I use Windows in the first place - I don't have an erection for Bezier curves and "soft" GUI elements.

On that note, the GUI is odd at first. It doesn't look like any other application I've ever used. I know the idea was to be unobtrusive, but I thought the last one was less obtrusive just because it looked like everything fuck else.

Not even a simple Hello, World! Sepples project compiled on the first beta. At least on my machine. That didn't leave a terribly great impression. I know the dev team works really hard and I follow their blogs, but... come on. Hello, World?

I guess overall, the first beta left a pretty negative impression on me. I might take a look at the second beta soon.

>>7
As a follow-up, I went to install the second beta and it downloaded every component. Even the ones that I deselected for installing. This does not bode well. （ ´Д｀）

Just finished downloading the second beta and trying it out. Just one thing, WHY DOES THIS USE 15x more RAM than 2008? Jesus fuck, I can't notice "improved" IntelliSense. I never complained about ctrl+j spamming.

I find the inability to remove ClearType to be utterly abhorrent. I fucking HATE seeing muddied, blurry pixels in my font. The latest MSN has this same failure. Microsoft, if you're reading this, DO AWAY WITH IT! Or at least give the option to turn it the fuck off. There's a reason why I use Windows in the first place - I don't have an erection for Bezier curves and "soft" GUI elements.
Oh god, I know, right? Antialiasing is the worst thing that has ever happened to textual interfaces. I desperately miss the days of pixel-perfect raster fonts. Even Linux is trying to do away with them. How the mighty have fallen!

>>10
But in Linux you are free to disable all this bullshit and to use a windowing system that don't attempt to convey aesthetic emotions at the expense of the immediacy of the message and of your system resources.

>>11
This is not what we mean by "freedom".

>>12
Hey fuck you RamAss.

How come it doesn't have the ribbon? Get your shit together, Visual Studio development team.

>>9
WHY DOES THIS USE 15x more RAM than 2008?
That's easy: because it has been rewritten in a toy language.

>>11
And such a windowing system would be...? Certainly not KDE and Gnome. Xfce is closest, but even that still has extraneous bullshit.

Let me guess, "You have the source, go do it yourself!"

>>16
straight up X11, motherfucker

>>16
ratpoison

>>16
Confusing DEs with window managers.
This is the kind of person that uses Windows.

>>17
When I need to rearrange my windows, I write a small C program to establish the new configuration.

>>17
That isn't even a default option in many distributions. If I want to do that, I need to spend like an entire day hacking it in myself. No thanks.

>>8
This installer made me reboot twice. TWICE. That is unforgivable. It does seem that they removed ClearType, however, so I think I'll actually use it.

Err. This "feature" where it pops up the .h file along with the .cpp file is .. odd. Looks like it gives that up fairly quickly though. The fuzzy tag parser seems pretty nice from casual use. Visual Studio updating the statusbar constantly is very distracting...

It actually compiles and runs Hello, World! so that was fixed.

I do not like that external dependencies portion of the solution and I do not like this "filters" thing in there either. I don't know what it does, but why can't it be in the project properties? Seems hackish at best.

Think I give mixed reviews on this one. The installer is pure ass, but the actual program itself seems mostly ok. Needs a little tuning up as far as specifics, but overall, not bad. Certainly better than beta 1, but I don't think it's ready for serious use. It's just not polished enough.

>>13
It's Rumas.


Also, what did Ctrl+J do?

>>19
Few window managers are designed with clear distinction between the windowing system and the window manager. Every graphical operating system which uses a windows metaphor has some form of window management, however in practice the elements of this functionality vary greatly.
On systems using the X window system, there is a clear distinction between the window manager and the windowing system. Strictly speaking an X window manager does not directly interact with video hardware, mice, or keyboards, which are the responsibility of the X server, but should be the responsibility of the kernel to provide.
Users of the X Window System have the ability to easily use many different window managers such as those included in GNOME, KDE, and many others.
So... window managers are included in GNOME and KDE (therefore, the desktop environment is the same as the window manager) but only someone that uses Windows would "confuse" the two. Great.

>>22
Text editors, file managers and calculators are also included in KDE and GNOME. Does that make them the same as the desktop environment?

>>20
That isn't even a default option in many distributions
Many distributions are shitty. Try something like ArchLinux or Gentoo, which provides many options for those who don't like installing two gigabytes of shit.

>>22
Learn to read your own quotes, grasshopper.

(P.S. the entire process of installing a tiling WM in ArchLinux  and configuring it for use takes roughly one minute including the download. I just did it this afternoon, clean installation.)

>>23
Except none of those are even logically related to windowing and basic use of an operating system on a graphical level. Cool straw man, bro. There is no logical separation for the vast majority of GUI interfaces.

>>24
And for those that don't want to spend 5 days configuring their operating system? It takes me 1 hour after the actual format to get Windows running at optimum performance and have all my usual applications.

>>28
You're full of shit. Installing Windows alone takes between one and three hours, and getting it running at ``optimum performance'' (or as close as it can get) takes a few hours more.
I don't know what all your usual applications are, but I'm guessing they're IE 6 and Notepad.

but I'm guessing they're IE 6 and Notepad.
OHH BURN! </highschool>

>>29
I reformat at least once every 6 months. I think I know damn well how long it takes me to get Windows running. I have 15 processes running at boot with a third-party firewall. I should mention that I still use XP.

It takes about 10 minutes to transfer the files to HD (liberal guess here), 15 minutes to install, and 35 to switch processes, set all my usage preferences, and start installing essentials such as Firefox.

Also, Notepad kicks ass. Why so hate?

>>22
therefore, the desktop environment is the same as the window manager

This is where you're going horribly wrong. I know even Visual Studio languages require you to know the difference between is-a and has-a relationships. Looks like you're too stupid to program, and should leave here immediately.

>>32
ok, sure thing, Anonymous

I love your straw man too. So much easier to attack than what I've actually said.

KDE and GNOME make no distinction (at least, not one that I've encountered) between the window managing part and the desktop environment part. There is no obvious line between the two.

>>33
KDE is the DE. The window manager for KDE is Kwin. Gnome is a DE. The window manager for Gnome is Metacity.

>>21
Ctrl+J brought up a list of suspected input. So, if I was writing "mal" and pressed ctrl+j a list would come up with: malloc, mbtowc, mblen, memccpy... Kind of how VSC# would complete you imput, but you had to force it in VSC/C++.

>>34
Thank you. This fixes my ignorance. However, that still doesn't change the validity of what I said.

>>36
However, that still doesn't change the validity of what I said.
Considering I can think of no reason it would make what you said valid, I'm not surprised.

Personally I care little for yet another incarnation of VS (2005 worked just fine for me), but I hear .NET gains dynamic typing in version 4.0 -which will be released alongside VS 2010- so I'll wait for that eagerly.

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