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What is lisp?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 7:42

So, I was reading this fine article: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm about Paul Graham's "Programmers and Painters", and encountered the following passage:

    Great paintings, for example, get you laid in a way that great computer programs never do. Even not-so-great paintings - in fact, any slapdash attempt at splashing paint onto a surface - will get you laid more than writing software, especially if you have the slightest hint of being a tortured, brooding soul about you.

<..>

It's no surprise, then, that a computer programmer would want to bask in some of the peripheral coolness that comes with painting, especially when he has an axe to grind about his own work being 'mere engineering'.

Then another article immediately sprang into my mind: http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm

As I look back now I see this attitude -- of Lisp being a special, tragic, too powerful, misunderstood by the masses etc language -- permeating almost every relatively modern (nineties and later) text about Lisp and Lispers.

Is Lisp the programmers' Twilight?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 7:49

I lol'd.
Excellent! Will read again.
That is exactly what Lisp is about.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 8:02

The dabblers and blowhards article is great.
I couldn't agree with him more.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 8:23

while reading the second link i realised something; Lisp programmers are FrozenVoid. or at least very very very similar in many ways.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 9:05

>>4
FV is tsundere
http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1247581457/9

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 9:15

>>4
That retard can't code his way out of a wet paperbag in C, I can't imagine him writing/comprehending a single line of lisp. Lispers are not about "Lisp being a special, tragic, too powerful, misunderstood by the masses etc language". Maybe some people write about that, but they do it merely because it appeals; the only relevance with Twilight is this. However, the lisp community couldn't give a fuck less if the language is dead or alive, or dead again, to put it simply, lisp was never alive to begin with. The true lispers attitude (not trying to fall into a true scotchman fallacy, but hey, there's some retards that write in lisp too, you gonna listen to them?), is closer to this:
"Hey cool language, I'll benefit from this new finding the most possible and I don't really care what anyone else thinks, nor do I care about getting this finding to be popular because you don't find lisp, lisp finds you".

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 9:22

Lisp is the worst kind of spaghetti code that exists, what the fuck is up with that setf magic?  How the fuck do they expect a programmer to follow the logic of a program if the program can change any time!!?>

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 9:25

>>7
logic is for chumps.
close you're eyes and feel the code, then make a wild guess :)

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 10:43

>>8
What about my eyes?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 12:43

>the only relevance with Twilight is this
>lisp was never alive to begin with
Lisp is Edward Cullen.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 13:08

>>7
Let me introduce you to my friend Clojure...

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 13:43

>>11
No, it's technically running on life support there

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 14:55

>>12
What do you mean? Clojure seems to have a great community; not as large as some, but larger than most pet languages ever acquire. It's even been used in serious applications, like that flight delay predictor I read about on Slashdot. HIBT?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 15:09

>>10
Lisp is Edward Cullen.
I am a girl and now I must program.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 16:20

>>14
Roleplaying taken too far.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 16:20

>>14
This is what roleplayers actually believe!

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 16:45

>>1

Oh god make it stop already.
Cheer up EMO kid.

Learn a real and useful language too, instead of bawwwwing about how you are misunderstood. No one gives a shit.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 17:27

>>13
Clojure seems to have a great community
This is an illusion. Clojure has no community. It just has Dick Hickey and a couple of spam bots who crapflood proggit with made-up stories.

It's even been used in serious applications
Any application that uses Clojure is automatically disqualified from being serious.

I read about on Slashdot.
Slashdot
We can tell.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 17:33

http://www.idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm
I am not qualified to call bullshit on Paul Graham when he writes about programming, history, starting a business, or even growing up as a social pariah, but I do know enough about art to see when someone is just making shit up.

That cracked me up.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 19:47

>>14
You are now in a REPL loop with Edward Cullen.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 20:29

>>20
You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 21:20

Most Lispers don't care if their language is popular or not. They just try to get the most out of it. You should take P.G.'s writings with a grain of salt, even if some of them have some truths.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-19 22:06

>>1
Is Lisp the programmers' Twilight?
Only in the sense that weirdos like to write strange and lame things about it. Doesn't mean that Lisp (or a vampire) isn't cool.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 2:28

His family name, Cullen get it? Cullllllen. Coollllen.
Automatically cool isn't?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 3:37

On Art:
http://imgur.com/INPgh.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 3:44

>>25
Anybody thinking that needs to read Atlas Shrugged.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 3:57

Art is not routine. Art is revolutionary, novel and unique.
Art is not made by the book. Art cannot be learned or taught.
Art does not need to be done professionally and is not bound by mortal laws.
Art is alive. The painting is just a dead image, art is the meaning. Meaning that lives with the viewers.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 4:16

>>25,27
and here comes the deep, arutistic fucktards.
back to /r9k/ with ye

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 4:24

>>27
Art is not made by the book. Art cannot be learned or taught.
Art does not need to be done professionally

I like how FV's very existence nicely frames such bullshit. If not for him, there could be some uncertainty, however when you have a perspective and see that it's exactly what a 15 years old "rebel" might have said, one who doesn't read books and writes infinite compression algorithm in C with no indentation, all doubt vanishes.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 4:28

>>28
;_; fine.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 4:32

art as a profession is just something done by people who are too stupid/lazy/FrozenVoid-like to do anything else.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 5:46

>>31
stupid/lazy/FrozenVoid-like
I thinke "FrozenVoid-like" is the worst of the 3

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 8:21

WOW

The all-new LISP from Microsuss inc. will blow your socks off!

WOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOW

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 11:08

Wow, after reading the post linked to by >>1, I'm even more convinced that Paul Graham is an insane troll. I didn't think that was possible.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 12:50

>>34
So Lisp, and not Haskell, is the REAL perfect language for insane trolls...!

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 12:53

>>35
U MENA ARC?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 12:55

>>35
loeb :: Functor f => f (f a -> a) -> f a
loeb f = fmap ($ loeb f) f

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 13:09

>>37
Most useless function ever.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 20:35

>>38
Just because you can't find a good use for it that doesn't mean it's useless.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 20:44

>>39
Oh yeah?  Find a use for this function:


void *useless(void *a)
{
   return a;
}

Not so big now, HUH?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 20:44

>>1
 Great paintings, for example, get you laid in a way that great computer programs never do. Even not-so-great paintings - in fact, any slapdash attempt at splashing paint onto a surface - will get you laid more than writing software, especially if you have the slightest hint of being a tortured, brooding soul about you.

What about Leah Culver?

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 20:46

>>41
She's to busy deciding which MacBook she is, to continue her sluttish activities at present. http://twitter.com/leahculver/status/5030804315

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 20:51

>>40

void *newlist = map(useless, oldlist)

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 23:03

>>40
useless(&useless)

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-20 23:21

>>42

She's adorable :3

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-21 2:07

>>42
She's the one with gonorrhea.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-17 1:28

Xarn is a bad boyfriend
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