http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=483100&postcount=19 It has absolutely nothing to do with being (un)stable. Have you already forgotten how it took them longer to get Flash on 64-bit platform than what it's taken Blizzard to develop D3? It wasn't the first and sure won't be the last "minor issue", and if something as trivial as that isn't supported at all, the sharpest among us could draw some conclusions. I'll check back in a couple of years, but everyone buying a 64-bit system for home use is just wasting money based on insufficient brain activity. I'm not even gonna bother with the "runs stuff" argument. In case you weren't aware, operation systems also have other problems than just freeze-crashes where you lose all control.
>>34
Most people start by learning the language by reading "ANSI Common Lisp" or "Practical Common Lisp" or "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming". Either of those books are good starting books, or you could start with SICP and read them later. Since you said you wanted to do practical things, PCL(Practical Common Lisp) might be more to your taste.
>>36
If you wish. The Operating System doesn't really matter, be it Linux, Mac or Windows, they're all mostly decently supported. Linux is probably the best supported platform for some implementations, but I wouldn't say you would have trouble using any of those platforms to learn and use CL on.
You'll want Emacs + SLIME + Paredit for editing and a good Lisp implementation like SBCL, ClozureCL, CLISP (for free ones), or AllegroCL and LispWorks(for commercial ones).
If you chose to go the path of SICP and Scheme, try DrScheme/PLT.
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Anonymous2009-09-04 18:49
>>38
Fuck, I'm irritated. So there are different lisp aspects - different compilers for those aspects and uhm... wat?
With what Lisp exactly should I start if I want to be in the mainstream-lisp.
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Anonymous2009-09-04 18:58
>>39
Common Lisp is the most popular mainstream dialect. >>35-chan recommended something called Practical Common Lisp, which I know little about but I think it would be wise to look into.
There's many Lisps, but the one I'm talking about is Common Lisp, which is probably the most featureful, well supported and standardized Lisp out there.
Scheme is another Lisp which is used mostly in teaching and SICP, however it's very much a real language too, even though somewhat minimalistic.
The implementations I've listed are all implementations of the same standard, so your code will work the same in any of them, as long as there aren't bugs, but spec violating bugs are usually treated seriously by most CL implementors. Just use whatever you wish, I'd recommend going with SBCL, but you won't go wrong with the other ones. Most CL libraries will work in most of these implementations correctly, so there's no worry there. Things which these different implementations do differently are threading, networking, FFI, however, as long as your Lisp supports them, you can use a common portability layer/library and ignore the lisp sitting behind you, as the portability layer will take care of chosing the right functions for you. Anyway, these are minor details one can easily glance over once he knows the language.
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Anonymous2009-09-04 19:44
>>28
Because Lisp vendors priced themselves out of the market selling expensive, language-specific hardware, and when the AI Winter set in, Lisp got chilled by proximity. Basically, Lisp never had its Unix. C was able to ride its way to success on Unix's coattails, but big Lisp vendors were still trying to hawk Lisp machines.
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Anonymous2009-09-04 21:21
>>41
Minimalist languages are really nice if they're designed well. FOR EXAMPLE, J