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Segmentation fault

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 14:31

What's that?

Name: FrozenWiki 2009-08-08 14:33

A segmentation fault (often shortened to segfault) is a particular error condition that can occur during the operation of computer software. A segmentation fault occurs when a program attempts to access a memory location that it is not allowed to access, or attempts to access a memory location in a way that is not allowed (for example, attempting to write to a read-only location, or to overwrite part of the operating system). Systems based on processors like the Motorola 68000 tend to refer to these events as address or bus errors.

Segmentation is one approach to memory management and protection in the operating system. It has been superseded by paging for most purposes, but much of the terminology of segmentation is still used, "segmentation fault" being an example. Some operating systems still have segmentation at some logical level although paging is used as the main memory management policy.

On Unix-like operating systems, a process that accesses an invalid memory address receives the SIGSEGV signal. On Microsoft Windows, a process that accesses invalid memory receives the STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION exception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault

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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:00

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Subject:
C random seed
Name: Anonymous
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What's a good seed for C's rand()? I tried using time(), but I can get my anus haxed when the program is run quickly multiple times in succession.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:04

>>3
time(0)+rand()

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 15:06

>>3 http://frozenvoid.blogspot.com/2009/07/crypteria5c-cipher.html
Check the rdt() macro



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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 15:07

I'll post it here
#define rdt(timer) ;asm volatile("rdtsc\n\t":"=A"(timer)); // unsigned long long timer
inline uc rndbyte(void){
ull tmp;rdt(tmp);uc a,c,b,d;a=tmp&0xFF;d=a%5;if(d<3){d++;}
rdt(tmp);b=tmp&0xFF;d=(d*(b%5))^a;if(d>10){d-=10;};
rdt(tmp);c=tmp&0xFF;if(d&1){return a^b^c;}else{return b^c^a;}}



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I'll pust it here-a
#deffeene-a rdt(teemer) ;esm fuleteele-a("rdtsc\n\t":"=A"(teemer)); // unseegned lung lung teemer
inleene-a uc rndbyte-a(fueed){
ull tmp;rdt(tmp);uc a,c,b,d;a=tmp&0xFF;d=a%5;iff(d<3){d++;}
rdt(tmp);b=tmp&0xFF;d=(d*(b%5))^a;iff(d>10){d-=10;};
rdt(tmp);c=tmp&0xFF;iff(d&1){retoorn a^b^c;}ilse-a{retoorn b^c^a;}}



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:18

>>4
Enjoy your O(n2).

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:19

>>6
I'm sorry, I can't read that. Thanks for trying, though.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:20

>>4
This didn't work.

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 15:22

>>9 the typedefs are in the blog. ull=unsigned long long,uc=unsigned char



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The plot thickens.

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 15:22

>>9 zee typedeffs ere-a in zee blug. Bork Bork Bork! ull=unseegned lung lung,uc=unseegned cher



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:28

Nono, I can't read that because it's a mush of unaligned characters.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:29

>>3
srandomdev();

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 15:32

>>13
I have no problem reading anything. I just stop at ';' and build the mental picture from that to next ';'.
Its really easy and saves space(the lines which people waste for indenting).


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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 15:32

>>13
I hefe-a nu prublem reedeeng unytheeng. Bork Bork Bork! I joost stup et ';' und booeeld zee mentel peectoore-a frum thet tu next ';'. Bork Bork Bork!
Its reelly iesy und sefes spece-a(zee leenes vheech peuple-a veste-a fur indenteeng). Bork Bork Bork!


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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 15:34

For unreadable code try haskell functions which abuse polymorphism,point-less notation and composition.
You can't understand any function if you don't mentally compile them.



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:35

>>8,10
Oh, boy. You guys actually considered that.

>>10
I don't see anything in C's standard library to give a measure of time finer than seconds other than clock(). The best thing I can think of is running a loop for some time and then measure how long it took with clock(). Hopefully, there'll be some fluctuation.

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 15:46

>>18 You write your own methods. Standard lib is for interfacing to OS.
See my previous posts for time resolution.



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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 15:46

>>18 Yuoo vreete-a yuoor oovn methuds. Bork Bork Bork! Stunderd leeb is fur interffeceeng tu OoS. Bork Bork Bork!
See-a my prefeeuoos pusts fur teeme-a resulooshun. Bork Bork Bork!



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 15:49

>>20
Can I have your children?

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:01

/dev/random should do for even the random number.

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:05

>>22 Non-portable.



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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 17:06

>>22 Nun-purteble-a. Bork Bork Bork!



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:08

>>23
It's portable to every system worth porting it to

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:12

>>25 That is 1% of all PC. 100% of them can use RDTSC opcode which is employed in my program.



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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 17:13

>>25 Thet is 1% ooff ell PC. Bork Bork Bork! 100% ooff zeem cun use-a RDTSC oopcude-a vheech is impluyed in my prugrem. Bork Bork Bork!



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:16

>>26
Lol, biased American statistics

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:17

The only notable platform which RDTSC wouldn't work on is old powerpc macs. Everything else is standard x86.



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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 17:17

Zee oonly nuteble-a pletffurm vheech RDTSC vuooldn't vurk oon is oold pooerpc mecs. Bork Bork Bork! Iferytheeng ilse-a is stunderd x86. Bork Bork Bork!



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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:19

>>28 Linux      1.05%
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8


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Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==C=H=E=F=*=+= !DRBORKBork 2009-08-08 17:19

>>28 Leenoox      1.05%
http://merketshere-a.heetslink.cum/oopereteeng-system-merket-shere-a.espx?qpreed=8


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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:24

>>31
And like I said already, those statistics are biased, as everyone already fucking knows. Linux adoption is much higher outside of the US and Mac adoption is correspondingly lower. You also seem to forget that /dev/random and /dev/urandom exist on more than just linux, to quote your beloved wikipedia
/dev/random and /dev/urandom are also available on Solaris, Mac OS X, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Tru64 UNIX 5.1B, AIX 5.2, and HP-UX 11i v2,

So I'd figure that at least 10% of the world can support it, depending on whose statistics you believe FUCK IT IHBT

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:34

Where do you got this 10%? According to stats:
Windows      93.04%
 Mac      4.86%
Everything else ~2%



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Vhere-a du yuoo gut thees 10%? Bork Bork Bork! Eccurdeeng tu stets:
Veendoos      93.04%
 Mec      4.86%
Iferytheeng ilse-a ~2%



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:44

>>34
RDTSC
I assume you use it for reading some kind of timestamp for seeding a random number generator.

Bad idea if you want secure random numbers (for encryption and such).  If you read from RDTSC anyone can know what number you got from it.  If you read from /dev/random, only you will know what you got.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:45

>>20,23,26,31
It sure is invisible poster here.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:45

>>33
STOP SEEING HIS POSTS.

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:48

>>38
STOP SEEING MY POSTS

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:49

>>36 2/10


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>>36 2/10


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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:56

>>40
What?

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:57

>>5
OMG, Voiden Frost... your programming style is definitely a bullshit! Let's not talk about indentation, since I can fix it easily with an automatic software... I'm actually talking about effective programming style... WHAT THE HECK IS ALL THAT DEFINES???

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:58

Someday x86 will have a hardware random generator as standard on all CPUs and this silly /dev/lolrandum bullshit will end.



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Sumedey x86 veell hefe-a a herdvere-a rundum generetur es stunderd oon ell CPOos und thees seelly /def/lulrundoom boollsheet veell ind. Bork Bork Bork!



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:59

>>44
Those random numbers will be fed to /dev/random.

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 17:59

>>43 Some defines are actually not used, i merged Void.h and crypteria.c into one text file for uploading to my blog.



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 17:59

>>36
RDTSC is an x86 instruction which represents the current tick count in edx:eax. It's not that much different from using time(0) as a seed, except that it's a 64bit value which gets reset to null when you start your CPU. There are also portability concerns related to using it, but it's not a problem if one writes different versions per OS family(*nixes, win32) and adds coresponding #ifdef's. Here's an example of sources of randomness used by MSVC for generating the security cookie used for buffer overflow protection:
a mix of
QueryPerformanceCounter
GetTickCount
GetCurrentThreadId
GetCurrentProcessId
GetSystemTimeAsFileTime
and some hardcoded seed constants. PID and thread ID are slightly random, current tick count can be too, and current time is a classical seed source, and of course the tick counter is a good source too. In general this means randomness sources are limited to timer and processor features, and whatever the user does to affect the system in some way(PID, moment of application launch). If a truly secure seed is needed, additional randomness sources could be added, such as capturing mouse movement from the user or randomly hash some files/data available on the system. It should be noted that in some cases novices which try to make better seeds than time(0) actually ended up reducing the unique bits in the seed, making it even easier to predict in practice, and certainly cryptographically insecure.

Name: =+=*=F=R=O=Z=E=N==V=O=I=D=*=+= !frozEn/KIg 2009-08-08 18:02

>>44 They will be used directly in code. Like RDTSC. No /dev/, no OS API, no library.  Assembly-level opcodes.



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Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 18:02

>>44
Or you could like, make a hardware random number generator yourself, it's not that hard
>>46
Do you think they would still keep the distinction between /dev/urandom and /dev/random if it was done in hardware?

Name: Anonymous 2009-08-08 18:03

>>50
Do you think they would still keep the distinction between /dev/urandom and /dev/random if it was done in hardware?
I don't give a shit.

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Infinity is often used not only to define a limit but as a value in the affinely extended real number system. Points labeled +\infty and -\infty can be added to the topological space of the real numbers, producing the two-point compactification of the real numbers.

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