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C# sucks, Microsoft shills

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 6:39

What do you think /prog/? http://tinyurl.com/m338rz

Miguel de Icaza posted a few comments too

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 6:56

Did you mean ``http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2009/07/09/java-development-outpaces-c-development-on-all-platforms'' ?

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 7:40

sepples sucks way more

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 7:48

Wow, Microsoft really is attacking that guy. What a bunch of douches.

Name: Quux 2009-07-13 8:25

Miguel is a fucktard and a Microsoft lapdog, fuck him

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 9:06

fuck him
I'd rather not, I would be in favour of a good old fashioned lynching

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 9:07

I’ve never seen Ruby used at a major company that didn’t do it just to blow their own horn about being different.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 9:18

>>6
I like how you think!

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-07-13 13:15

C# is Microsoft's Java, and .Net is their version of JVM
Managed code is sugar-coated slang for 'bytecode'
All these .NET/JAVA languages are interpreted, like JavaScript(and yes, JIT compilation is in tracemonkey too).


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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 14:29

>>9
>All these .NET/JAVA languages are interpreted, like JavaScript(and yes, JIT compilation is in tracemonkey too).

Are you trying to imply that Java/.NET have comparable speed to JavaScript? If so, just read http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=tracemonkey&box=1

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-07-13 14:56

>>10 Its somewhat faster then JavaScript, but the benchmarks can be selected to show anything.
JavaScript doesn't use multiple cores btw,and Java server !=applet. Here is fair comparison:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=javaxint&lang2=tracemonkey&box=1
IIRC my NBody script is twice faster then their benchmarks, and all their JS code is tending to be heavy OOP/Unoptimized:
see http://frozenvoid.blogspot.com/2009/02/n-body-planetary-orbit-calculation.html

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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 14:58

C# = Python - FIOC + Java syntax + Sepples speed

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 15:38

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 15:42

Interestingly enough, Haskell actually beats C# in many respects.

http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=ghc&lang2=csharp&box=1

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 15:58

>>14
Haskell also beats LISP!

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 16:01

>>15
Not to mention it uses less memory than Java, while being slightly slower.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 16:12

>>13
you forgot to include compilation time.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-07-13 16:18

Haskell is as fast as its generated C code(which could theoretically be almost as fast as C).


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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 16:24

>>17
What does it matter? I prefer my program to compile twice as long and work twice as fast.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 16:28

>>19
it matters because sepples takes 10000 times as long to compile.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 17:46

>>11
I like how you used const PI as Math.PI and the only other instances of PI were on the very next line. I dread to think how unoptimised the benchmarks were.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 18:53

>>18
Haskell doesn't generate C code by default, it's just an option.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 21:19

>>11
LOL idiot, read the fucking notes. Java "Server" is the *default*, "Int" means "interpreted," which means no JITing happens, whereas "Server" JITs often-used code. Comparison with Java "Int" is just to show how great JIT is, not to show real-world performance of Java.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-07-14 0:34

>>22 a Faster option



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Name: Sagey McSagerson 2009-07-14 1:03

Sage for ignorant ass FV

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 3:56

>>25
Who?

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 10:04

>>25
☣ Please try to ignore troll posts! ☣
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/52726

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 10:30

>>27
YHBMT

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 10:48

>>28
NYJMUA

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 11:13

>>29
Fail GTFO or HIBMT?

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 11:44

>>30
Fail and GTFO or IHBMT

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 13:00

I agree that C# sucks hard.

Here's a list of stuff that sucks more:
- Python
- Java
- Ruby
- C (if you're using Win32)
- Sepples
- Flash


And I'm not making any excuses for trying to deploy Haskell desktop apps

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 13:06

>>32
- C (if you're using Win32)
I agree that Win32 sucks hard.
Here's a list of stuff that sucks more:
- Linux
- BSD
- MacOSX

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 13:08

>>33
You forgot your Plan 9

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 13:43

I love it when anybody that praises C# is labelled a Microsoft shill. By that logic, >>1 is a RMS Matthew Stallman fudge packer.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 14:15

>>32
You sound like you're writing nothing but Windows desktop apps. That's stupid. You're stupid. Desktop apps are the least important type of programming you could possibly be doing, and Windows is the least useful place you could be deploying them anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 14:42

>>24
Uh, no, actually GHC produces faster code with its naitive compiler than with the C compiler. Which makes sense, since GHC can better represent Haskell by deciding itself how to represent it in the machine, than GCC can by trying to "infer" GHC's intent for how the code should be represented by the machine via C.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-07-14 14:53

>>37 Thats what Haskellites actually believe. http://repetae.net/jhc-vs-ghc-assembly.txt



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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 15:00

>>37
try doing some benchmarks.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 15:04

>>39
And how would you compare the speed of two programmes written in different languages? Often it's possible, but good luck in case of C and Haskell (list access time, etc).

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 18:09

%_ ->

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 19:02

>>40
And how would you compare the speed of two programmes written in different languages?
In two easy steps:
1. time ./programmeA < input.dat
2. time ghc ./programmeB.hs < input.dat
There! Wasn't too hard now was i*** Exception: stack overflow

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 20:26

>>40
I'm pretty sure >>39 meant benchmarks comparing the same Haskell program compiled with -fvia-c and without it.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 20:35

>>43
Haskell compiled program and C compiler program doing the same thing won't be the same, because Haskell uses, for example, different (linear) list accessing than C.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 20:43

>>44
If given the same input they produce the same output, then it doesn't really matter how the internals operate.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 20:59

>>45
0/10

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 23:28

>>46
-10/0

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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-15 9:18

>>49
THAT WAS RAPE!

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-15 10:47

>>49
Wat?

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