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JavaScript OS

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 1:54

Suppose you have all the security crap sorted out.
What would be an obstacle to creating a JavaScript OS?

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:12

The fact that JavaScript does not run natively on any machine without an interpreter.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 2:26

>>2 Its would be a Network OS. It run through a thin client or a PC or even be a cluster.
like http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/03/1910207
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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:30

Fucking read SICP for fuck's sake. There's a fucking good reason why it is the fucking wizard book.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 2:41

>>4 SICP is a newbie book about basic programming concepts.
There is 0 useful knowledge there for anyone who has even minimal experience.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:45

>>5
nonsense.
i had been taking software dev classes for atleast 6 months until i read SICP - it taught me about recursion (among other things)

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:46

>>5
If that's how you view SICP, then nobody in the world can help you. The answers to so many questions are revealed in this sacred text.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 2:47

>>6 So recursion what?its inefficient,much better implemented via loops. 

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:51

>>6
>>7
Stop replying to invisible posts!!!

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:51

For god's sake, stop taking this thread seriously.
There may be a dicussion about OS somehow related to javascript, but __not__ with that frozen dick.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 2:55

Recursion is like outsourcing - you lose time in favor of price.
(The price is code density)
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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 2:58

>>8
recursion is an important programming concept.
or maybe javascript programmers don't feel the need to learn anything abstract; all you need is syntax, right?
abstract concepts are never relevant to programming, are they?

enjoy your life as a typical ignorant web developer who never learns anything past HTML and childrens' scripting languages

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:06

>>12 Recursion is easily understood. The temptation to simplify algorithms with it is pervasive.
 I understand the motivations to increase code density. Its “elegant” and “concise” but its implementation destroys performance. Consider that every recursion (which is not tail-recursive) carries the penalty of
1.Function call
2.Parameter evaluation
3.Function logic overhead(it executes through code supplied by parameters)
4.Context store and load. Every recursion must return to context. It takes time.
5.Waste of stack space.As above, the calls,especially nested ones will pollute the stack if used in any programs. 
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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:10

>>13
this is NOT about using recursion,
this is about knowing what recursion is.
you say that it's better to be ignorant of recursion than to know what it is.
you are a sad pathetic individual indeed.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:11

>>14 Recursion is simply using the same function inside itself to return some parameter.
Nothing magical about it, even kids can understand it in one lesson.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:13

>>15
the complexity of recursion is completely irrelevant.
this is about the fact that you claim ignorance is better than knowledge. quit trying to change the subject; it won't work

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:15

>>16 I don't claim ignorance is better then knowledge.
I claim that this knowledge is useless and degrading performance of your programs.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:24

>>17
I claim that this knowledge is useless and degrading performance of your programs.
oh really?
well maybe i can speak Korean; however; that knowledge has never affected my programs - this is because i've never used it when writing a program. i could easily do the same thing with recursion, now couldn't i?

the difference between you and me is that when i sit down to read/maintain some source code written by someone long gone, i can understand it.
you sit there scratching your head trying to make sense of concepts you never bothered learning because you thought they were "useless"

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:25

>>18 You're wrong in this case, because i understand recursion. I choose not to use it.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:30

>>19
that was my point, idiot.
now you're just switching sides because you have lost, and you know it.
HAND&GTFO

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:32

>>20 I have never claimed that "ignorance is better then knowlegde".
If you have arguments, you have to provide a quote.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:35

>>21
you claimed that ignorance of recursion is better than knowledge of it.
the shortness of your attention span is incredible

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:39

>>22 You misinterpret my words in poor attempts at trolling. see >>8  
So recursion what?its inefficient,much better implemented via loops.


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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:40

>>22
This is why we ignore troll posts

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:41

>>22
0/10

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:42

>>23
nope, you said:
There is 0 useful knowledge there for anyone who has even minimal experience.
about SICP. then i said that i learned about recursion from it.
you then proceed to tell me why recursion is useless and how i shouldn't have bothered learning about it - completely ignoring the fact that you are wrong

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:42

Why the fuck would you want to write an OS in Javascript?

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:43

are you from Finland FV?

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:44

>>26
The fact is SICP is useless. Even Sussman himself admitted it.
see http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1236032199/1-40

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:46

>>29
wikipedia said it, so it must be true

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:48

>>29
10/10. Always of the highest calibur.

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:51

>>31
please don't rate yourself

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 3:54

SICP a newbie programmer's book which introduces the concept of recursion.
Whatever “magical knowledge” you claim it contains it evidently the same as any other entry-level programming book. 

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:58

Whatever “magical knowledge” you claim it contains it evidently the same as any other entry-level programming book
Have you read any 'entry-level' programming books recently, they are mostly god awful and an uninspiring read

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 3:59

>>33
i am not one of those people.
reading a book does not mean i'm fanatical about it.
however, SICP does contain knowledge; a fact that you so vehemently deny.
why do you keep trying to change the subject?
is it because you're a namefag and you don't want to lose face?
you're really that ashamed that you've been beaten?
you are a true coward and your mind is weak

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 4:00

>>33
You bring up a non-sensical topic. You would understand why it is non-sense after completing all of SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 4:00

>>33
You bring up a non-sensical topic in >>1. You would understand why it is non-sense after completing all of SICP.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-03-04 4:04

>>34 The SICP is just such an “entry-level” book for Scheme.
I don't find verbose prose and musings on programming inspiring.
I like to see raw data and code. With benchmarks for each implementation.
Obviously i don't have time for reading garbage.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 4:04

Why do we even accept that he is the real FV. I want a blogpost for proof

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-04 4:04

>>36
>>37
that was lame; can't be even slightly more convincing?
your last ditch attempts to discredit me only serve to make my penis harder and make yourself appear foolish and pathetic

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