D programming language

So what does it offer to me that C++ doesn't?

>>1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29


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>>1
* Nested functions
* Native 'foreach' loops
* Garbage collection
* Real string support
* #!/usr/bin/dmd -run
* Templates that don't end up looking like a cat walked on the keyboard
* in, out, and inout parameters for functions. Way more sensible than dealing with function references, and catches a lot of dumb mistakes too.
* Built-in unit testing and contract programming. Personally I find this to be invaluable.
* Lazy evaluation (see http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/lazy-evaluation.html - this is really neat)

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>>11-13,15-16
something seems fishy here...

D is SEPPLES and Java's retarded child

>>18
If by retarded you mean "actually useful".

>>17
apparently the wikipedos are still seeing invisible posts.
oh well, at least the real FV has gone back to /pr/ and it's just that fake one posting crap now.

>>19
D is however not useful enough to overcome the genetic flaws from it's heritage.

>>19
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>>14
there is more :
* fast compilation
* floating-point support done _right_
* import
* array expressions
* array slices
* STANDARDIZED alignment and ABI
* inline x86 assembly
* some kind of C++0x concepts
* readable error messages
* D2 will go further in awesomeness
* no __inline, no __MSC_VER__, no 4H compile time, no design by commitee

Unlike SEPPLES : the more you know about it, the more you love it.

floating-point
lol, what are you, a game programmer?

>>24
I'm a scientist, bitch.

>>25
Rationals.

>>26
Get real.

>>27
www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/cf.html
gotten

Probably the best feature of D is it got rid of 30+ years of shitty syntax patching and started fresh. Also eliminated the ambiguous <<>> template grammar (although I would have preferred they went with [] instead of !() as the new syntax).

>>24
DSP programmer

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/d-floating-point.html is more informative

>>23
And, *two* standard libraries!

>>31
You've got a point.

But is the situation better in C++ ?
You've got got plenty of near-"standard" librairies like QT, Boost and the STL and each one provides its own String class, threads and linked list.

>>31
I should add, two mutually exclusive standard libraries.

>>33
It's a D1 problem and will be adressed in D2.

But yeah, it's quite a mess.

Hi, I'm a C programmer. D is an okay language but it's obviously designed to improve on C++ rather than C. You might as well suggest that I use Java or Vala in my systems programming. That's not acceptable.

If someone made a language where the semantics were exactly like C (but with the addition of parametric types, and maybe a better string handling library) then I'd consider using it on my microcontrollers. Right now, not even Fortran is a good alternative to C, so I'm gonna keep using C.

>>35
Oh, and I'd like to add that I don't even care if the syntax is completely different. It could look like FIOC for all I care. The semantics are the important part.

>>36

Stick with C

>>36
C semantics
yeah, well, hmm

>>36
So..... why don't you use C?

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>>36
C semantics
yeah, well, hmm

>>36
So..... why don't you use C?

isn't D a single vendor language? last time I went the only vendor was walter

>>43
You're getting your words mixed up again. D is actually a single letter language. Since, you know, its name is just the letter D.

>>43
Depends on how much vending you want, but there's the DM compiler and the GCC frontend, niet? I'm sure someone would properly vend the GCC project if you paid them enough.

>>45
Did you mean: нет?

There is an LLVM-based D compiler, replacing the GCC frontend

>>45 GDC is dead.


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>>48
No, it's in March.

D offers you the niceness of not having to be tied to backward compatibility for See/Sepples. There are a ton of things in Sepples that are just there for backward compatibility with old-as-fuck shit that nobody uses anymore; and if programs are actively being developed with these things, the companies should die in the first place.

Sepplesox was actually going to be somewhat nice, but then they made string support even worse than it is currently. Nice job on doing new sets of literals instead of abstracting string handling away from the programmers, jackasses. Time handling could use an upgrade too. Doing anything with networking, time, or strings (you know, the things you need to connect to the world) in Sepples is a horrible idea. Threading support, also a newer concept being born past 1980, is being added in Sepplesox, so I can't really complain.

But damn, D is in a good position to become a great language. You might think that See/Sepples are unfixable, but you would be incorrect.

>>50 You forgot std.c.* and the C/C++ combo D is built upon(which have plenty of backward compatibility and are much more stable then D).




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>>50 Yuoo furgut std.c.* und zee C/C++ cumbu D is booeelt upun(vheech hefe-a plenty ooff beckverd cumpeteebility und ere-a mooch mure-a steble-a zeen D). Bork Bork Bork!




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>>50
D is C for retards, threading support? You need the language to hold your hand? What the fuck do you think the OS threads are written in.

>>53
_BBCode

>>53
C has horrible compatibility with anything that was created after 1980. This includes threading. It's not hand holding, it's something the language should have.

>>55
PIC microcontrollers were created after 1980, and C works fine with them. Maybe you just have problems grasping different domains.

>>50
Sorry, but abstraction of everyday details is a good way to make your language completely useless for getting real work done. Programming without seeing the minor details is an invitation to disaster.

>>57
Exactly. That's why we all stuck with assembler instead of that bloated C language.

>>58
inline ASM muthafucka , do you use it ?

>>59
No. And neither does anyone else outside of the few specific problem domains.

I know IHBT, but come on, now. PIC microcontrollers have fuck ass to do with the language and its usage. You could at least troll me with something valid, like >>57.

>>57
Apparently, you mean "getting things done," as in, "spending 5000 extra hours of work trying to build all the requisite abstraction so as to not make your code a fucking mess."

>>61
If you need more than three levels of abstraction, you're fucked anyway and you should change your program.

>>60
I know IHBT, but come on, now. PIC microcontrollers have fuck ass to do with the language and its usage.
C has horrible compatibility with anything that was created after 1980.
Just accept that you're wrong and move on like an adult.

There is strange lack of Java-based microcontrollers.
 Its "write-once, run anywhere" motto is suspiciously limited to PC and smartphones(if we consider Java ME).
I haven't heard of LISP or Haskell microcontrollers either.

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>>64
That's because functional programming is a LOSE!

>>64
They do exist, I don't recommend them
>>65
Functional Programming just isn't that popular on sub-OS level programming as far as I can tell, that and I don't want to have to write a lisp cross-compiler for every platform I work on when I'm already given a C one.

>>63
Trivial provocation, I was obviously referring to concepts, rather than hardware. Hardware has nothing to do with the language and its standard library.

TCP/IP? Mid-to-late 80s. Threading? Windows originated in 1985 and threading was not an issue with DOS. Character sets that aren't ASCII? Hoo boy, welcome to the late 80s.

Time zones were around at the conception of C, but it didn't really matter much until the Internet hit big that time zones became an issue. The time handling library is grossly inefficient and lacking in power and that sort of thing is NEEDED by programs today.

Now stop trolling me with utter garbage.

>>64
Java's VM was never intended for usage in places like microcontrollers. Microcontroller operations tend to be simple enough for implementation in C and assembler. Java's domain was always intended for higher level work such as business information management systems; you can do such systems in C but it's a massive drain of expensive programmer time. Java was intended to be write once, run on any compliant VM.

Time zones were around at the conception of C.
Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) was established in 1675 when the Royal Observatory was built, as an aid to mariners to determine longitude at sea. At the time, each town's local clock in the area was calibrated to its local noon. Therefore, each clock across England had a slightly different time. The first time zone in the world was established by British railway companies on December 1, 1847—with GMT kept by portable chronometers. This quickly became known as Railway Time. About August 23, 1852, time signals were first transmitted by telegraph from the Royal Observatory, Greenwich. Even though 98% of Great Britain's public clocks were using GMT by 1855, it was not made Britain's legal time until August 2, 1880. Some old clocks from this period have two minute hands—one for the local time, one for GMT.[1]

I didn't know C has such an ancient history. I should check some medieval books for early stdlib sources. Brb.


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I deedn't knoo C hes sooch un unceeent heestury. Bork Bork Bork! I shuoold check sume-a medeeefel buuks fur ierly stdleeb suoorces. Bork Bork Bork! Brb. Bork Bork Bork!


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>>67
I was obviously referring to concepts, rather than hardware.
I am very saddened that you think there are no new concepts in hardware since the 1980's. Terribly saddened. Oh, woe! I understand programmers tend to be focused on software but I am not sure this oversight is forgivable.

>>69 IHBT but

>Time zones were around at the conception of C. 
not
>C was around at the conception of time zones.

>>72
QUOTE FAILURE

semantics were exactly like C ... then I'd consider using it

I don't think that means what you think it means

D syntax reminds me of JavaScript(or JavaScript mixed with C++). Very good function model and seems like JavaScript prototypes get used(e.g. String.length) as well as automatic 'args' for all functions. String handling is above anything in C land.



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>>74
If it compiles doen to C....? Then the fire is made of babies

>>76
ENTIRE FIRE IS BABIES?

>>77

>>78
FUCK

>>1
Garbage collection.

Hmm.... Yep, that's about it.

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