wouldn't it be better if there was only one language like c++ or c#
then programmers could spend their time mastering that language
instead of re-learning the basics of another language every few years
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FrozenVoid2009-02-28 14:12
>>1
Perhaps the same could be said of all countries languages?
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Anonymous2009-02-28 14:15
>>1
Firstly, a lot of people just stick to one language.
Second, the generic langage would be shit
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Anonymous2009-02-28 14:24
wouldn't it be better if there was only one operating system like windows or mac os x
then users could spend their time mastering that OS
instead of re-learning the basics of another OS every few years
Oh wait... this would be bad example
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Anonymous2009-02-28 14:36
>>4
I don't see why that would be a bad example. Unless you are some open sores loser who thinks Microsoft is committing crimes against humanity by bundling IE and WMP with their OS.
>>5
It's a bad example, since that is essentially the situation as far as normaltm people are concerned. On your second point, it is not a ``crime against humanity" but it is against European anticompetition laws which is why companies like Opera are complaining.
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That's different because a)there is no car company with a monopoly and b) the car companies don't make the cd players. Do some research before you troll /prog/
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Anonymous2009-02-28 15:35
You can't write one-line Fibonacci sequence in C++/
>>12 a) microsoft doesn't have a monopoly
depends whose metrics you use b) microsoft didn't make DOS.
that doesn't fit with what was being said. The cd player is an
accessory which may be from any random company the car manufacturer wants whereas IE and WMP are microsoft products
I didn't really intend on getting into an argument over this but oh well
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Anonymous2009-02-28 16:15
I think it doesn't really matters if other languages exist. Unlike natural languages, for which you could make a compelling argument that other languages should no longer be taught, multiple programming languages are relatively harmless, given how new the field is. I'd see little value of going ahead and standardizing on Java or C++ right now, as the free market does a much more efficient job than any regulation at making the most competitive technologies emerge.
>>14 Unlike natural languages, for which you could make a compelling argument that other languages should no longer be taught
You're a monoglot, right?
/prog/ hath detested the efforts of man, and decided to destroy the tower of COBOL.
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2009-02-28 17:50
>>19
ALGOL precedes COBOL and is what influenced most languages of today:
ALGOL (short for ALGOrithmic Language)[1] is a family of imperative computer programming languages originally developed in the mid 1950s which greatly influenced many other languages and became the de facto way algorithms were described in textbooks and academic works for almost the next 30 years[2]. It was designed to avoid some of the perceived problems with FORTRAN and eventually gave rise to many other programming languages (including BCPL, B , C and Pascal). ALGOL introduced code blocks and was the first language to use begin end pairs for delimiting them. Fragments of ALGOL-like syntax are sometimes still used as a notation for algorithms, so-called Pidgin Algol.
>>21
How can you be sure its me? I don't use a tripcode
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Anonymous2009-02-28 18:15
>>22
Because your posts read like a wikipedia article...oh wait...
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Anonymous2009-02-28 18:20
Having just one language would be like having a tool-box with just a hammer.
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Anonymous2009-02-28 20:37
because whenever a programmer wants to become famous, he creates his own language.
i'm amazed the attention whore RMS hasn't created one yet (or maybe he has)
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Anonymous2009-02-28 21:16
It only should take someone less than a week to learn a new language.
>>26
It takes me close to no time at all. All I really need to learn a new language are railroad diagrams to help with learning syntax, a list of the language's featureset to help contribute to the coding strategy, and API references.
i find that in general, new languages are easy to learn as long as you know similar languages.
for instance, if you know C++ or java, you should be able to sit down and write C# code with just a little bit of guesswork and MSDN
What languages do you know in the ISWIM family? Would even something as distantly related as Pascal give you panic attacks?
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Anonymous2009-03-01 5:52
>>32
Here in the 21st century we have made great strides in the state of the art. No longer can we say that "real programmers" will write FORTRAN in any language. Oh, no, siree! Nowadays, "real programmers" will write 'C' in any language.
That is what such lowest common denominator cross-language approach leads to -- and you'd still be left rather high and dry by the time you went the small step from, say, Java to Scala.
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 5:55
R e a l programmers try to emulate the flexibility of JavaScript,not C.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 7:24
>>33 >>34
learning new programming languages is piss easy, no matter what they were based on.
you guys are pathetic
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 7:33
>>36 You wouldn't mind coding your apps in befunge,unlambda and brainfuck?
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>>38
And if you got paid for your soul, would you give it up?
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Anonymous2009-03-01 8:35
>>39
i'm not a religious person.
so yes, i would.
would you like to buy my soul?
you seem to think they're worth alot; so i'll give it to you for $1000USD.
deal?
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 8:40
>>40
The point is not “the soul”, its letting yourself to be controlled by money and corporate culture.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 8:43
>>41
i like money.
i like being productive.
i like to live comfortably with nice food, a good computer, in a big house.
i don't want to live on the street and i have no interest in being an RMS clone.
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Well, a blockaded bishop is of little value, but I think you're referring to a pawn.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 8:49
>>43
call me what you will.
you'll mature eventually.
i do what i'm told during work hours, and i do what i want to do outside of work hours. one day you will understand.
i enjoy my life very much
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 8:59
The freedoms you lose when you “mature” is outside your horizons.
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 9:05
What you see as motivation to work, and the desire to fit in with society,
is what makes you limited and uninspired: your goals are set in the beginning.
The precedence of your prior choices dictates your life.
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Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, whereas culture has invented a single mold to which all must conform. It is grotesque.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 9:05
>>45
explain, oh great guru of sagely wisdom.
how are you free?
and don't just avoid the question - i want real answers.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 9:07
>>46
so what have you accomplished, inspired & limitless one?
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 9:10
I'm free because i can think free. I see things outside their domains: what creates and connects them.
I don't blindly listen to authority. I don't consider emotions of the moment. I don't prejudice on rumors.
I work without concrete plans. There is no limits: I can choose any path. And you can too.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 9:13
>>49
that was underwhelming.
i have chosen my any path already.
i do what i love, and get paid well for it
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FrozenVoid2009-03-01 9:16
>>50
The illusion of “real choice”: its like picking Democrats against Republicans.
You won't see the limits until it becomes clear your path is a dead end.
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Anonymous2009-03-01 9:20
>>51
enough of this pseudo-intellectual talking without actually saying anything bullshit.
ok, i admit it. IHBT
OK, who has this "all gay" that I keep hearing about? >>55 is asking.
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Anonymous2009-03-02 1:05
Microsoft will converge features of Visual Basic and C# languages with planned upgrades to the two platforms, a Microsoft official said this week. The Visual Basic and C# teams "were merged last year, and it's called the Visual Studio managed languages team," said Beth Massi, senior program manager at Microsoft, during the VSLive conference in San Francisco. Also under the team's domain are the F# language, for functional programming, and Microsoft's DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime), supporting dynamic languages on the .Net platform.[1]
ONE LANGUAGE TO RULE THEM ALL!!!
Multi-line and statement lambdas, another ease of use feature saving programmers from having to return values, also is due in both language upgrades. Compiling without primary interop assemblies also will be enabled in both.[1]