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hello /prog/

I just wanted to say hello

I have written at most 40 lines of code in the past 1

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hello /prog/

I just wanted to say hello

I have written at most 40 lines of code in the past 10 months, and before that maybe at most a few hundred.  I don't like doing any actual coding exercises from books/etc but just reading them and thinking about it.  Even when reading SICP I only wrote at most 20 lines of scheme.  At the same time there was a point where I spent about 3 weeks straight coding a project and encountered no difficulties (I mean 16+ hours a day).  Obviously I don't go to school or work, and I don't live with my parents.

At the same time I feel as though I have learned a shitload and am extremely talented/good at programming...  It seems like the language is just a translator of the true essence of programming which is just solving processes/organizing things.  For instance I spent a few months straight (8 hours+ a day) just doing thought puzzles on algorithms/data structures.  But if you asked me what a B tree or Djiska thing was I couldn't say. 

At the same time my math is very good and in general I find math to be quite stupid in the respect with which it is taught, aka the underlying methods are somewhat obfuscated by how math is taught and done.  AKA mathematicians should spend instead of solving 200 problems to learn the methods should instead just program a general solver for it. 

Sort of like how people think Soduko or whatever that fuck that weebo shit is takes intelligence.  When in reality a program can be made in about 2 seconds that solves it millions times faster than you.

It seems the whole, at least undergrad education system is built to make idiots out of everyone instead of people who look beneath the surface at the deeper underlying code, sort of like creating so many people who are just looking at things at a stupid layer of abstraction. 

When looking at a problem, they don't seem to see how interrelated everything is, or the underlying functions.  Also the programming languages everyone use are fucking horrible.  Java is puke shit, and so is C++.  Seriously why/how the fuck do people code or start new projects in these languages. 

Anyway I am moving my aim to more Language orientated programming (lexing/parsing/code generators) and shit like that. 

Does anyone else find it ridiculous how backwards and idiotic like 99% of effort is.  Look at SICP, it is probably one of the single greatest books of all time in a lot of ways.  Yet that approach and mindset could be applied to so many other things.  The simplicity of the syntax/language and actually going "behind the scenes".  I can't think of any other textbook/book I have read that ever does that. 

It's fucking ridiculous that even in 2008 going into 2009 that every class taught doesn't have some programming like component.  Maybe people are afraid to really realize how powerful/magical it is and that it is almost a sort of life you can create

Congratulations. You've discovered the true meaning of `ABSTRACT BULLSHITE' and discovered the futility of, like, actually doing things.

>>3
who says I don't actually do things

yes I haven't coded much I guess.  In reality though I have read enough code and understand programming enough that the exact syntax would come pretty fast.  I'm not sure if knowing an exact language or spending 5 months working on C++ gotchas would be worth anything. 

I mean I don't think that actual programming ability is coupled directly with writing lots of code or writing a big program.  It is more an application of already existing knowledge, and in some cases causes you to research more into it...

But even those would take you far into a domain and might not be applicable to other things.  For instance how would working for 10 months writing a crazy c++ program with templates and a whole bunch of other gunk be helpful?  It seems that even getting involved with shit would just cloud your mind.

btw I do plan on completing a project by May which I would considered advanced, if it fails obviously my coding lax learning system would be proven shit.

But I pretty much believe from observation that typing in lines of code has nothing to do with "programming"

>>4
First of all, lurk moar.

In reality though I have read enough code and understand programming enough that the exact syntax would come pretty fast.
Syntax is meaningless.

I'm not sure if knowing an exact language or spending 5 months working on C++ gotchas would be worth anything.
It wouldn't, unless that particular language teaches you concepts that aren't present in the languages you already know, or if you happen to need that particular language for something. Working on C++ will never be worth anything, though.

I mean I don't think that actual programming ability is coupled directly with writing lots of code or writing a big program.
It is. Learning by reading code and studying the theory of programming and its application is essential, but it's only half the progress. Writing lots of good code in the form of useful programs is necessary if you want to actually learn to write real code, as opposed to simply armchair programming.

But even those would take you far into a domain and might not be applicable to other things.
``Might not''? You're not speaking out of experience. Going (too) far into a problem domain teaches you about the need for generalization, among other things.

For instance how would working for 10 months writing a crazy c++ program with templates and a whole bunch of other gunk be helpful?
HURR-DURR-RURR. Build a better straw man.

>> Syntax is meaningless.

lol you idiot.

>> Syntax is meaningless.

lol you idiot.

OP reminds me of Ulillillia. [1]
Let me ask you, how many software-based systems have you developed which are actually in deployment right now? How many have you contributed to? The point I'm making is, don't waste your time on useless mickey mouse shit, because in the real world nobody cares that you've read SICP, or that you understand how loeb works, or that you've written your own parser. Unless of course, this is only a hobby for you, in which case please disregard all this.

References:
[1] - Webpage, retrieved on 28 Nov 08, 11:55PM GMT+10 http://www.ulillillia.us/aboutme/home.shtml

The point I'm making is, don't waste your time on useless mickey mouse shit, because in the real world nobody cares that you've read SICP, or that you understand how loeb works, or that you've written your own parser.
The point you seem to be making is that you do not have the capacity do anything else than Swing GUIs in Java and limit yourself to this. Parsers are used pretty much everywhere and I don't think you've read SICP.
Actually, I think I have been trolled.

>>10
Spoken like a true academic, ivory-tower jerk off. Enjoy writing your parsers and factorial and fibonacci programs there, kiddo. I'll be deploying real systems which people actually use.

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>>12
Instant.exe?

ITT: delusional first-year colleg dropout trying to rationalize his miserable failure by telling himself time and again that he's too talented for anyone else to understand him.

Never seen that before.

>>14
ITT: YHBT.

Watching lots of porn doesn't make you a world-class pornstar.

>>14
ITT fuck off faggot

hmm considering I had advanced standing in a different major that required actual math past calc 2, and physics etc.  Oh shit I missed out on lots of java projects that are queer as shit.  I remember taking the intro course to comp sci when I was going to switch my major to it.  It was some java first year class and it alone made me drop out, just because there was no tolerable way I could spend money on the shit they where selling.  Seriously 6 weeks in implementing a linked list.. then the next weeks assignment is implemented a two way one?  And people actually had trouble doing that shit.

Then in class (the one time I went) there was just a bunch of fucking losers who raised there hands and said they had AP Java classes or someshit.

seriously knowing java does not mean shit.  You can formulate the P=NP in any language known to man, even english.  Comp science is a joke.  Why the fuck should you learn these shit languages that only hinder you when there are much better out there with the same fucking power?  See F sharp.  That allow you much more flexibility and elegance?  Not to mention that they are built for LOP. 

No duh I am not MIT or Stanford smart but I will get a lot further on my goals learning on my own then paying thousands of dollars every 5 months to be spoonfed bullshit projects and learn horrible practices.

>>17
See F sharp
20/10

>>9

Oh man, that guy gives me a headache. He's so terribly proud of his "mind game", which is nothing more than a petty exercise in imagination, that of which *anyone* who's every enjoyed a fiction novel is familiar with.

>>17
You need to remember that colleges need to cater for the lowest common denominator. It sounds to me like you (think you) are ahead of everyone else in terms of content. It seems ridiculous to quit first year CS just because the stuff you're doing now seems easy. If you really were dedicated, you would continue with your degree and do honours, and advance the state of the art.

However, from the posts that you've made, it seems you would much prefer to whine about how much better you are than everyone. So please, carry on. It is quite amusing.

>>19
What the fuck is it?  He plays a video game in his imagination???

>>21
Not as far as I can tell, seems like he just climbs up mountains and jumps around and shit like that.

>>22
Yeah, but he imagines it as a game.

>>22,23
wtf, so IRL he jumps around and climbs mountains while pretending he's playing a video game?

>>24
No, IRL he's sitting in a chair somewhere. He imagines that he's doing these things, and that's the game. It's not a video game, but a Mind Game.

>>9

okay

I'm not that fucking stupid

ulillillia
Wow. Just wow. Just reading about that guy makes me depressed.

>>25
No, IRL he's sitting in a chair somewhere.
No, he isn't. [1]
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[1] http://www.ulillillia.us/aboutme/home.shtml
``Other problems I have: My severe addiction to video games caused numerous other problems, many of which rather bizarre. My most memorable problems are [..] chairs (only booths in restaurants and car seats are acceptable - it's the floor otherwise).''

I'm going to mail this thread to ulillillia.

>>28
Well, shit. I did not expect that. You win again, Ulillillia.

>>29
Tell him it's The /prog/ Game.

>>1
>>Java is puke shit, and so is C++.
I could agree more. Remember "Worse is better." Its far more entertaining that way.

For instance I spent a few months straight (8 hours+ a day) just doing thought puzzles on algorithms/data structures.
Such as?

I want to work on shit like this... although I could also work on a real program simultaneously if I know some kind of program I want to create that requires solving such problems.

>>17
ITT self-righteous college drop out who didnt get into the COMP SCIENCE HOUSE and got butthurt living with ``women'' in regular dorms.

>>32
I could agree more.
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>>17
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