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java without eclipse

Name: Anonymous 2008-09-18 18:13

is it possible to be fluent in java and not love eclipse?

Name: Anonymous 2008-09-19 17:13

Eclipse is pretty good.

The only glaring thing that really sucks shitfucking ass balls is that something like SWT (that defers to OS widgets) isn't included in the standard JRE, and their AWT/Swing bullshit does the whole fucking renderer to its own bitmaps and has to reinvent every fucking OS wheel it runs on.

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