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GUI Design

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-11 19:29

Can anyone recommend any good books/blogs/websites on the subject of GUI design and usability, I'm getting to the stage now when I'm finding it hard to present all the necessary options to the user in a clear and concise way.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 10:25

There is no way to make a program easier for novices.
There is, you just haven't bothered looking past your Windows-based nose to see it. It's something completely unknown to any Windows application. It's called good documentation.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 16:48

>>40
No, then you're still just adding excessive configuration options rather than doing you job as a designer.
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You should look at Plan 9's UI (which you can run on Linux now http://swtch.com/9vx/ ), especially the Acme text editor, from which I get the "every word is a command" idea and read Jef Raskin's The Humane Interface (which I just found in ebook form http://www.mediafire.com/?su4aj57dxlz (it's funny how many of the things in this book echo what I was already thinking)). Acme, and to a lesser degree the rest of Plan 9, is the most "different but awesome" UI I know of, while THI lays out Raskin's best idea for a UI, with justification for everything (some of which I don't agree with, but it's all good to think about).

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 16:50

>>42
Fuck you nigga

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 17:04

Firefox won't let me close this tab. Is it trying to tell me something?

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 17:09

>>42
Jef Raskin is a wanker and modeless UI is a shitty idea.

Name: >>45 2008-08-14 17:12

*was a wanker

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 18:16

>>45
What's your point? Was there somewhere I said that all his conclusions are good, or did I explicitly say that I don't agree with him on everything? Regardless of what you think of his zoomworld shit (and his no-files "document character" idea, oh lawd), he wrote a great book that explains the lines along which a designer must evaluate their interface if they want to be anything other than a wanker, as well as providing a "case study" to ruminate on.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 18:27

>>47
My point is he was a wanker and modeless UI is a shitty idea.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 18:47

>>48
I should have asked, "Is this relevant to the thread, or is it just your way of saying you've read the ZUI Specification?"

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 18:51

heres a good book on gui design:

dont design a gui u fucktwit; guis are evil and the only interface i want is a textual one. TUI > GUI.

ncurses interfaces considered sexual.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 19:01

>>49
Anyone that comes up with such an incredibly shitty idea and believes it's great until his very last breath can not be anything other than a wanker.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 19:07

>>51
Excellent logic there. Let's learn more from this enlightened one.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 19:12

>>52
Better than learning more from a shitty modeless UI peddler.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 21:03

>>51
The issue here is that you're too dumb to see where he's coming from. When he actually tried out these ideas in a product, they worked great. He extrapolated according to the needs of a more modern system, and I'm sure his interface would work great for certain applications. I suspect that since the amount of local data we're likely to deal with has multiplied a couple million times, not to mention everything on the Internet, this wouldn't scale. But since this UI was never completed (the people carrying the torch don't seem to be a crack team of programmers), no one can say how well it would work out. Especially not you. For all we know, it would be every bit as good as he thought.

Anyway, here's how science works: a researcher with his team develops a theory for several decades until the experiment is finished. You might not call UI design science, but that's just why I don't have any respect for your opinions. In this case, the experiment was never finished, and the results are up in the air. Modelessness in general is pretty nifty.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 21:36

>>54
Shitty modeless UI peddler peddler.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 21:48

>>54
UI design is as much a science as software engineering or phrenology.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 23:10

it's amazing how clumsy most "modern" software feels after using vi. you'd think that after 30 years people would have realized that modal text-based interfaces are vastly superior to graphical ones that make you move the mouse several feet to do what you can do without moving your fingers off the home row in vi.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 23:14

hang yourself

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 23:16

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Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 0:21

>>56
I'm going to have to disagree with your assertion that GUI design is phrenology.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 0:41

>>62
I'm going to have to take offense at your inability to parse a simple sentence.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 2:18

>>63
I'm going to have to point out your inability to construct one.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 2:45

>>63
Noted, but next time please also record your umbrage at http://umbrage.org/. Thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 11:11

>>64
I'm going to have to point out your poor trolling skills.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 13:57

>>65

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Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 14:02

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Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 18:01

>>66
When you reenter the realm of sanity, I'll be right here waiting for you.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 18:09


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Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 18:10

>>69
See what I mean?

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 18:25

>>71
No.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 18:40

>>72
Hmm... I guess that explains your subpar trolling.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 22:38

>>73
You don't really know what trolling is, do you? Well, you're not going to get very far just repeating words you hear on the Internet.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 22:43

>>74
See? There it is again.

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Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 21:19

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