ruby on fails

so what does /prog/ think of rails?

I realize it's incredibly clunky and forces you to do a lot of really annoying shit you might otherwise not want to do, and it's underdocumented conventions that you're FORCED to adhere are really, really fucking annoying, but once you get used to it and learn the dumbass hoops it is surprisingly robust and makes webapp development easy and fun.

and now that mod_rails is out the ridiculous difficulty of deploying onto apache with a shared hosting environment is pretty much gone too... things are really looking up for it.

I'm pretty much positive I'm going to get a lot of flak for this thread (a lot of people hate ruby with a passion), but I really do like rails.

anyone here serious about it at all?

Rails is great. The reason it seems to only attract people who love to run Textmate on a Macbook is because it is only suitable for people who care about quality and comfort. People who willingly run Linux and command-line text editors have no hope to ever understand those benefits.