I know ______ language.

I know F#, C#, C++, C, Java, Assembly, Algol, Lisp, Scheme, Python, and Perl.

Is equivalent to an artist saying:

I know crayons, paintbrushes, and charcoal.

Seriously this has to be the biggest pet peeve of mine in the world of programming.  Saying you "know" C++ can mean a million different things.  Can we remove this type of language listing from general use and replace it with something more suited.  You can read a "learn ___ in 24 hours" book and say you know ____.

Hurr Hurr I know _____ and am looking for the next language to learn. 

I wrote the language spec and run the standards body for the programming language ____.  Quit diluting the use of my trade name.

>>1
It's more like an artist saying they have experience with crayons, paint (what kind lol), and charcoal. I don't see anything odd about that statement (except for the lack of pencil).

>>2
Seconded. I worked hard for years to master THE ALGORITHMIC __ LANGUAGE and I don't appreciate your saying that you "know" it after you've read a single book.

>>1
This is a requirement to work in enterprise

>>3

I have experience with crayons, paint, pencils, and charcoal.

I know crayons, paint, pencils, and charcoal.

See the difference?
  
    Also at what point do you "know" a language.  Is it when you understand most of the syntax?  Is it when you have made a complex practical program with it?  The qualifications needed to say you "know" a language are individually dictated.  Also it looks fucking retarded when I see "I know C++/C" etc.  Please for the love of The Sussman do not every say "I know ___, ___, ___, ____,____, ____, and _____.  

>>6
Lets work on some definitions, then. Here's the two I've come up with.

To "know" a programming language is to be able to confidently write about any program in it, and do it well. If you know a programming language, all you may need is a window open with documentation for the various libraries you're using, and maybe a copy of the core book (i.e. K&R, TC++PL) at your side.

To "have used" a programming language is to have written a few programs with it, read a few guides, etc. You're not the person to come to to write the next app with it, whether that app be a kernel, word processor, web framework, etc.

>>7
I think those are the best definitions.  A lot of people throw around "know" way too much. 

I KNOW THE APPLESRIPT, INSTANTEXE, ACTIONSCRIPT AND RPG MAKER PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, WHAT SHOULD I LEARN NEXT GUISE?

If you know a programming language, all you need is EMACS.

fixed

If you know a programming language, all you need is EMACS and an iron pinky.
fixed.

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