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I have discovered an amazing site. Turn the volume for your computer ON, and go to http://blocked.on.nimp.org with Internet Explorer. After going there with Internet Explorer, go there with Mozilla Firefox.
>>20
My BBCODE failed, master. I will now become an hero
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Anonymous2008-04-14 0:30
>>17
We can't look at the code for it, because the place that's supposed to be hosting it is dead.
And also because it's on a fucking textboard. How the hell are you supposed to get code off of it? Cut and paste?
I'll stick to 4chan's git. As fail as git is, it's actually not completely useless and stupid.
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Anonymous2008-04-14 1:26
>>22
Git is not fail, it is in fact the best VCS/SCM around, and it is simply infinitely superior to every SCM ever conceived.
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Cudder2008-04-14 1:52
>>22
I'm making it so that all posts posted to the anoncoreutils thread in a specific format will automatically result in an update of the corresponding code in the local repository (you can download from that easily enough with e.g. wget), which I can then sync with the prog.git at regular intervals. I got the idea from iichan.
>>25
You're going about this several different kinds of wrong.
First, trying to build a CMS on top of a message board script is really really screwy, and I would suggest some psychoanalysis for that, but that's beside the point at the moment. Take a moment and think about what you're doing; it can [em]easily[/em] be handled with Kareha. It's a highly flexible script, more so than you might think. Supposing each file is a separate thread, and each post in that thread is a new revision of that file. (Or not -- you can even intermingle conversation [em]about[/em] the file with that if you're careful.) When writing the cache page for the thread, also output it (or maybe just the <code> sections) to a separate file on disk named $threadid-$postid.txt. Having done this, you can easily fetch any revision of a given file with a simple wget $threadid-$postid.txt -- and with some symlinks you can even make it so you can wget $threadid-CURRENT. That hack would be about 50 lines of code at the most.
If you want to get even more clever, you can put each thread into a separate directory, and symlink the thread directories to the thread title -- then you can wget filename.ext/CURRENT, which would resolve to the most recent revision of the thread for that file.
However, this addition still won't make up for the fact that copy-and-paste into a <textarea> as the basic method of making a revision is really stupid, gives no inherent capability for contextual diffs, and generally yields far more inconveniences than benefits. Next line of business would be making a posting tool, so you can do something such as repost $filename, which would fetch the thread index, find the proper thread for the file, and post a reply. There, you've got a basic CMS built on Kareha.
>>27
Interesting idea, but I already finished (mostly) REchan r3. It's ready for use, even though not EVERYTHING has been implemented. Eventually, users will not need to post the whole file again if there is a small revision, they'll just post (what else?) diff format patches; and then the most recent version can be obtained from the local repository.
>>29
Listen, you fucking faggot motherfucker.
I don't want to wget no fucking git or visit your fail board.
Paste some anoncoreutils code here.
I'll debunk it, debunk >>17 and debunk you and then I'll go fap to SICP again.
Do it faggot, I dare you.
P.S. Nobody gives a shit about your failsite. Make too much noise and someone might, but not the way you'd want.
>>27
I love you WAHa. Why do you come here? Humorous purposes?
Also, I'm sorry for that // Apache index thing (learn to write mod_rewrite rules). I was going to email you eventually, but I guess I caused so much ruckus in your logs that you fixed it before I could tell you about it.
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Anonymous2008-04-14 17:04
I've got a nice slightly modified Wakaba & Oekaki for a Lojban imageboard running at http://jbotcan.org/
Made a lojban strings file but some strings remained English or english-like, so I had to modify wakaba_style a bit. Great software in general, though. What's left of the English on there is just terms that I'm not sure about how to phrase in Lojban.
Wakaba and Kareha are brilliant.
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Anonymous2008-04-14 17:09
>>55
I wouldn't mind figuring out how to get a thread list on Wakaba. I guess that's my next update. Threads don't get deleted on jbotcan so a tread list makes some sense. Should be easy enough, use a db query and put it on the cache builder.
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Anonymous2008-04-14 17:15
I'm thinking of hacking Wakaba and insert all the cancerous shit (stickies, noko, capcodes, spoiler tags/images, USER WAS BANNED, 4chon extension stuff like image expansion and thread hiding) in. I'd call it Wakaba-AIDS (Wakaba Automatic Imageboard Destruction System). Not because I condone that sort of faggotry, but because people are turning to fucking Trevorchan in order to get those “features”.
Since we can't prevent them from being faggots, they might as well run decent software.
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Anonymous2008-04-14 17:41
>>57
I've set noko to default on jbotcan, the same way it is on 7chan. Have you considered 7chan's software? I did, but it needs a database, and only supports mysql, which sucks. I don't want to run a mysql server. Patching Wakaba or Futaba is fine with me.
>>57
The last think we should want is for all the insta-chans and the quality imageboard out there to get any closer by the way of running the same software. Anything that could help shifting the core of idiocy towards something well-defined that isn't 4chan would be welcome. (basically, towards 7chan and kusaba)
>>64
That's what the AIDS tagline would be for. I agree that, right now, you can spot most of the shitty 4chan clones out there just by looking at the footer and searching for the word “kusaba,” but there are sadly some other boards that aren't strictly modeled after 4chan and 7chan using it as well. (see touhouproject.com)
Out of my head, thread hiding, image expansion and noko (last one is trivial to hack in) are useful. Stickies are debatable. WAHa is traumatized by how 4chan used to misuse stickies (hop on to 7chan to see sticky misuse taken to an extreme), so he'll lobby hard against them.
Actually, stickies themselves are unimportant. What I'd like would be the ability to make a thread immortal, so it would be immune to pruning. That way, you could link to it from the banner, like WAHa does in the Wakaba and Kareha support board. Problem solved.
Capcodes are useless Something Awful faggotry (albeit trivial to hack in), wordfilters are cancer, USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST only makes people spam the board with "MODS = GODS!!!" shit. Spoiler images/tags can be useful for some boards, on others, they just get used for humorous intents. Why the hell do we have spoiler tags in /prog/?
>>65
I think that if you're not going for an ultra low-tech 2chan.net clone, people should drop the whole fetishism for old Japanese software and redo the whole anonymous imageboard concept from scratch instead of copying years of legacy most users never had a part in.
By running a software that is culturally different, it could help people trying to run serious boards that need advanced non-cancer features distance themselves from the "we are legion" idiots who are currently ruining all the anonymous boards I like.
>>73
What >>65 said. Thread hiding, image expansion, noko, make some threads immortal.
I'd add that "sage" and "noko" should lose their nondescript names and be checkboxes. (Shitstorm incoming.)
Many features that sound like bad ideas can be useful, but only in specific contexts. See for example how the music board at http://sovietrussia.org/m/ supports many filetypes, extracts album art from MP3s, preserves filenames, and has a player. On most boards this would be horrible cancer, but on this one they are very useful.
Thread hiding, image expansion
Those are purely display issues, and should be handled on the client-side. Either write a bunch of JavaScript and throw it in the Karenhegivesashit header, or leave it to the end-user (ala firefox extensions/greasemonkey scripts).
make some threads immortal, support many filetypes, extracts album art from MP3s, preserves filenames, and has a player
Aside from the player (I fucking hate bullshit built-in players -- if I want to listen/watch/wank I'll download the file myself and play it with native software thanks), these are somewhat more viable reasons. Again, there's nothing really ground-breaking here -- you could easily hack this shit in to existing software in 50 lines or less.
"sage" and "noko" should lose their nondescript names and be checkboxes
Again, easily done in under 50 lines.
While I'm not going to argue that there are benefits to writing your own software from scratch (makes your penis feel bigger, etc), the fact stands that hacking in such simple features isn't a valid reason to do so.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 0:42
This is fucking dumb to make users download a greasemonkey script in the situations where everyone would benefit. Just because these boards target nerds who know how to install a greasemonkey script can't excuse such a shitty user experience.
And of course you can do this modifications in that old perl script that hasn't been updated in years. But it's high time to move away from the futaba clones with additional shit badly bolted on for the user perspective, especially now that this sort of software has been coopted almost only by idiots.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 0:47
>>75
Well, there's certainly nothing stopping you from using your own player, or wgetting the whole thread. It is a nifty hack, though.
>>76
This is fucking dumb to force JavaScript/AJAX bullshit in situations where a small subset of people actually want it. Just because these boards target nerds who prefer ENTERPRISE QUALITY turnkey web applications isn't an excuse to turn them into such a shitfest.
I personally haven't looked at the futaba or wakaba scripts (I've never had an erection large enough to justify hosting my own egotistical boards), but I can't imagine they're that bad. Sure, they're in Perl and Perl isn't WEB 2.0 like Ruby and PHP are, but that in itself doesn't justify a rewrite.
tl;dr - Trevorchan is in a ``modern language'' and supports the forced execution of the XmlHttpRequest.
>>77
Honestly, if it's possible to view the content (inb4 Stallman pasta) with wget (or any other browser without JavaScript/Flash capabilities; I'm running Firefox with NoScript) I don't give a shit.
My issue is that people start adding these features and don't provide any fallbacks. Soon enough, you're stuck with something like Sagebooru which is entirely flash-based, or a shit which just doesn't work without JavaScript, and it turns into a giant hulking shitfest.
I understand you're going to tell me "LOL GET WITH THE TIMES FAGGOT", and I'll respond with "I don't give a shit". I just won't go to your site. And thankfully for you, I figure I'm probably a minority. But I firmly believe that the internet is for browsing content, not running applications.
tl;dr - I don't care what you do with your free time.
This is fucking dumb to make users download a greasemonkey script in the situations where everyone would benefit.
A Greasemonkey script is just a JavaScript script. You can ``force'' your users to automatically ``download'' and ``install'' it (without their consent even!) by just dumping it in the Wakaba (or whatever) header. No need to rewrite the entire backend to achieve functionality which has nothing to do with the backend.
You might as well rewrite the entire operating system (instead of just using Plan9).
>>78
Futaba is written in PHP, and very very badly written at that. Wakaba is written in very clean Perl that's actually readable - not a whole lot of $!*()$&$~LINE NOISE~)#$^icskmbqphx at all in it.
Trevorchan is written in PHP with more redundant classes and nested functions and shit than you could ever imagine.
>>81
I've not used either Futaba or Wakaba, and I'm fairly drunk, so I'm mostly just speaking out of my ass. In the end I think the "lol let's just rewrite the whole thing and make it 100x better" is a common sentiment that gets nothing done, simply because it lacks purpose.
If the goal is to add features, then add features.
If the goal is to improve the foundation of the codebase, then I think a complete rewrite (or, better yet, refactoring) is a perfectly viable solution.
REchan (the script) is basically a simplification of Futaba, and uses much the same concepts (flat file database) but without the images. I don't like Web 2.0, I actually prefer pages to be composed almost entirely of real content and in plain HTML.
>>78 This is fucking dumb to force JavaScript/AJAX bullshit in situations where a small subset of people actually want it.
How about if you don't want it, don't click the fucking buttons, dipstick?
Or are you trying to sell me that transferring a maybe 10k large JavaScript textfile that can be compressed and subsequently cached from the server to the client is somehow a performance impact?
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Anonymous2008-04-16 6:14
>>81 Wakaba is written in very clean Perl that's actually readable
I LOL'd. It's nowhere near as bad as Trevorchan, but it's still pretty bad.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 6:36
>>89
You must have some brain disease if you have troubles reading wakaba. I started learning perl by reading/modifying wakaba source, and it was very pleasant experience.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 8:31
>>78
How is trying to improve the imageboard user experience some sort of WEB 2.0 ENTERPRISE QUALITY bullshit?
Not that I would accept an answer from someone who is so out of touch with reality that he thinks sites should drop Javascript enhancements and distribute greasemonkey scripts instead.
Also, l2graceful degradation instead of assuming that everyone is just as incompetent as you.
How about if you don't want it, don't click the fucking buttons, dipstick?
having FUCKING 9000 BUTTONS next to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING POST is REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING.
>>92
Why the fuck are you assuming that the UI must necessarily be done even worse than it already is?
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Anonymous2008-04-16 8:44
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Anonymous2008-04-16 8:48
>>90
And you must be a fucking retard if you think 90% of all code being randomly arranged in 2 modules called "wakaba" and "blahsomething" is well organized.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 11:19
>>95
It's less than 4000 lines of code, much of that being empty space, lines with nothing but } on them, or comments. Why would you arbitrarily split it into more files? Okay, maybe a separate file for the post manager, but aside from that there's really no need at all to make it any more complex.
Also, it's not random. All of the features common to both Wakaba and Kareha are in wakautils.pl; everything that's specific to Wakaba is in wakaba.pl.
Try working on a couple of projects before you start talking crap.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 11:32
bRING BACK FOTRAN
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Anonymous2008-04-16 11:41
>>96
You're a nub. Stick with your cute little imageboard projects, obviously anything larger would explode violently in your hands.
By the way, I've done very little with imageboards aside from reading through the source to Futaba, Wakaba, Kareha, and (sickeningly) Trevorchan, and fiddling with Wakaba for a couple of hours.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 11:53
>>99
It only gets worse. First he calls working on Crapaba a pleasant experience, then he claims knowledge equals lines of code.
Bumping this because you're apparently embarrassed by it.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 11:58
>>101
I never said either. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Also, merely the theoretical and abstract won't get you anywhere in the real world. Go try applying for a job some time.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 11:59
>>100
Stop defending yourself please, not like anybody gives two shits about you anyway. Stick to the topic at hand or get the fuck out.
Anyway, Wakaba is an unstructured piece of crap and it's painfully obvious that its author never anticipated that somebody might want to extent it in any way. No wonder people choose to write their own software instead of digging around in that thing. Not like there's a lot of salvageable stuff in there anyway, since it's just the nth clone of a shitty old Japanese board software coded some time around the bronze age.
>>99 I have about a million lines of code
Oh, you're one of those aren't you? High number of lines of code != code quality.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 12:00
>>102 I never said either. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Sorry, I'll just take your posts as the empty shells of worthless babble they are then. No more interpretation of your rambling.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 12:03
>>103
The "topic at hand"? You mean BRING BACK RECHAN?
This thread is painfully stupid and gets stupider with every post. Including this one, because I'm going to end it with DICK BUTT
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Anonymous2008-04-16 12:04
>>106
No, the topic has changed. I just wanted to prevent you from changing it another time, because I don't care much about you personally.
>>111
Anyone with half a brain can EASILY extend Wakaba. Fuck, if the potheads at that pothead chan whose number I forgot did it, so can everyone else.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 21:59
>>113
Anyone with a complete one will ELECT not to and code something better.
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