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The Sussman's take on /prog/'s SICP fan club

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-13 9:44

Your message was perhaps one of the strangest pieces of email I have ever received. Although it is flattering to have a ``fan club'', in fact, it is a very bad idea. Unlike most of human society, science and engineering are based on the idea that each of us is capable of evaluating evidence and thinking on our own. Each of us can do experiments, work out the reasoning, and determine the truth for ourselves. There is no room in science or engineering for ``fans'' representing group approval over individual thought. One of my heros, Galileo, put it very well:

In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.

I am pleased to talk with people about matters of science or engineering, so you and your colleagues may certainly send me mail. I hope to learn as much from your experiences as you may learn for me. But please get rid of the ``cult of personality'' way of thinking. It is unscientific and ultimately destructive.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-23 13:11

I AM THE KING OF FARTS, BOW DOWN AND SMELL MY HEAVENLY ODORS

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:02

>>198
Bigger patches result in a frog or a snake.

    '-._                  ___.....___
        `.__           ,-'        ,-.`-,            ALWAYS KNEW
            `''-------'          ( p )  `._       THAT SUSSMAN READS [spoiler]/prog/[/spoiler]
                                  `-'      \
                                            \
                                  .         \
                                   \---..,--'
       ................._           --...--,
                         `-.._         _.-'
                              `'-----''

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:05

>>199
|The human genome — the information required to build a human from a single, undifferentiated eukariotic cell — is about 1GB.

Yet the library of the universe required to launch that genome is infinitely large...

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:07

>>203
Use the > character at the beginning of a line to quote some text.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:10

A mammalian neuron takes about ten milliseconds to respond to a stimulus. A driver can respond to a visual stimulus in a few hundred milliseconds, and decide an action, such as making a turn. So the computational depth of this behavior is only a few tens of steps.
Has he ever heard of parallelism or pipelining?

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:11

>>204
You also forgot to mention there needs to be a space.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:52

>>205 You are an idiot.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:53

>>207
Explain why, please.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 9:53

>>208 what letter of "computational depth" do you not understand, idiot?

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 10:04

>>209
All of them.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 10:37

>>210 QED.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 12:20

>>209-san, your insecurities are showing.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-24 12:34

SICP is mush-brained drivel by a pseudo-intellectual cockpouch. It's right up there with TAOCP and K&R as things that idiots read to make people think they're smart.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 3:47

>>203

Actually, when any idiot looks at what they use to incode the genome, any idiot can do it in about 256 MB... pre-compression.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 4:06

So the computational depth of this behavior is only a few tens of steps. We don’t know how to make such a machine, and we wouldn’t know how to program it.
It's essentially an analog circuit with comparators that have huge fan-outs and fan-ins.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 4:10

>>199
That's surprising. I expected neurons to be a lot faster. At least now I have a new excuse for being socially inept -- my speech handling neural network has computational depth a few magnitudes larger than the average Homo Sapiens.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 13:00

So when are we going to have enough computational power to run a simulated neural network powerful enough to simulate the visual and linguistic capabilities of the brain at, say, 1/100 of its speed?

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 13:16

>>213
:O

:O

How could you

:O

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 13:52

screw you 218

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 13:52

ooooooooooooooo

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 14:09

>>217
I think neuroscience will be the bottleneck, not hardware or software.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 14:29

>>209 explain!

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 14:38

>>221
Nah. Give me enough computational power and I'll get you strong AI.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-25 23:19

>>223
Simulating one step of a neural network with N neurons is asymptotic to O(N2) if you want it to learn by itself (like humans do) instead of having a separate learning phase.

Oh, and we still haven't figured out what the fuck is going on during sleep.

Name: /b/ro 2011-08-26 0:53

>>222
nice trips bra xD

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-26 1:20

>>224
Not every neuron is linked to every other neuron, cretin.

Name: VIPPER 2011-09-29 15:51

>>5
Me, you, and >>1

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-10 10:00

this thread has been threadstopped. You can't reply anymore

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-10 11:26

>>228
>10-10 10:00

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! INB4 SHITSTORM!!!

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-10 16:02

>>226
There's still a lot more synapses than there are neurones.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-10 23:56

>>229

It would've been cooler if it was 1010 10-10 10:10:10

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-03 1:12

Bumping because you all need to read this shit again.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-03 1:51

This thread is still alive OMGWTFBBQ

TIME TO FLIP SOME TABLES

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-03 1:55

>>229
Wow, that was some shitstorm.

Name: Anonymous 2014-03-05 12:37

And suddenly Anonymous resurrected The Sussman

Name: Anonymous 2014-03-08 1:14

SICP is mush-brained drivel by a pseudo-intellectual cockpouch.

Name: Anonymous 2014-03-08 1:16

There is no room in science or engineering for ``fans'' representing group approval over individual thought.

Sußman was a-trollin' us:

One of my heros, Galileo, put it very well:

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