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Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 14:49

Can you be too old for trying to get good at programming? I don't want to be AWESOME but I want it to work somewhat decently. I'm 21 years old.

And I practically flunked 12th grade math. That's how bad I am.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 14:50

No.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 14:59

>>2
Cool. I was thinking of starting with non-programming like html just to start getting used to typing in notepad (yeah I've never learned even html), do you have any tips on directions I should take?

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 15:00

Try it, let us know.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 15:02

>>3
Get a copy of the Visual Quickstart Guide for HTML. I have a copy of the 5th edition that I use for quick reference; it seems like a good place to start.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 15:10

>>5
Buying a book for HTML when the internet is literally full of source code for you to learn from is retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 15:24

>>6
Yes, let's learn from the source code of some random site.
Though I'm not sure that book would be better\ldots

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 15:37

>>7
ONE WORD, w3schools, THREAD OVER.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 16:57

Then pirate it. Either way, it'll teach you better habits than reading the source on random pages. 99% of HTML on the Internet is crap. You really don't want to be a crap HTML coder.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:00

>>8
ONE WORD, STUCK IN THE '90s, THREAD OVER.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:18

Abandonwares are not text editors

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:27

>>3
NOTEPAD, HAHA. GET EMACS OR PREPARE TO BE LAUGHED OUT OF /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:30

As far as I can tell, the correct order is >>12,11. Left your precognition on again, >>11?

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:39

>>3
Read SICP and learn Scheme.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:41

>>5,8

Thanks, I'll try that.

>>8,10

Is w3schools really outdated?

>>11-13

..what should I use as a text editor then? D:

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:49

>>15
..what should I use as a text editor then? D:
I'm so glad you asked.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:50

>>15
Emacs or the presumptuously named Acme.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:53

How does Emacs smell?
Terrible!

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 17:57

My Emacs has no nose.
How does he smell?
Terrible!

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:19

>>15
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
Not a ``viitor''.  Not a ``emacsitor''.  Those aren't even WORDS!!!!
ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:31

What exactly is an emacsitor? The author never really explained that one :(

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:35

EMACS IS MARVELLOUS

>>21
s/ed/emacs

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:45

>>22
I've seen this before, what exactly does s/x/y mean? Is this a prog meme?

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:46

>>23
REGULAR EXPRESSIONS

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:47

I know what Regular Expressions (regex) are, but I've never seen this syntax before.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:50

Twenty three here
I googled regular expressions, and s/x/y doesn't mean anything special. In fact, the forward slash isn't a metacharacter, so saying s/x/y simply means to match "s/x/y"

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:50

EVIDENTLY YOU'VE NEVER USED A MASSIVE DICK

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:53

>>26
If you made it that far, why not go all the way and figure out for yourself? PROTIP: man sed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 18:56

>>26
If you look at the HTML it's actually:
s/ed/emacs
    </

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 19:22

USE YI

http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Yi

All the good stuff of Vim and all Emacs. IN ONE EDITOR!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 19:58

>>26
>>28
Actually, it originates from a program called QED, originally written in the late 1960s by Butler Lampson and Peter Deutsch. Their version had the command SUBSTITUTE /x/ FOR /y/. Ken Thompson (of Unix fame) then wrote a version for MIT's CTSS system, and shortened the substitution command to just s/x/y/ - and, crucially, added regular expression support to it. Thompson later wrote Unix's standard editor ed, taking a lot of features from QED, including s//. It was the massive spread of Unix that so popularised this idiom.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:00

>>1
You might find Python to be an exciting choice of first language.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:04

>>31
[citation needed]

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:04

>>33
xkcd did it

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:10

>>33
Sure:

http://research.microsoft.com/lampson/04-OnlineEditor/04-OnlineEditor.pdf
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/qed.html
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/qedman.html
http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ed

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:11

>>15
vim or vi(yes you can still use vi)

Name: 28 2008-02-06 20:15

>>31
I already knew that. Why on Earth did you reply to me?

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:26

>>37
The reply was mainly for >>26, but you also implied that s// was from sed, which of course came quite late on in the history of s//.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 20:30

>>38
but you also implied that s// was from sed
In no way did I imply that.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-06 21:53

>>39
This may surprise you, but you did.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-07 0:10

If you are a 45-year old geezer then yes, maybe it's a little late to start something completely new.  Maybe.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-07 13:32

>>41
Not even close. In a typical case, you would still have almost half of your life left.

Name: Anonymous 2008-02-17 21:41

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
Not a ``viitor''.  Not a ``emacsitor''.  Those aren't even WORDS!!!!
ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

Name: !n70FPmJq8Q 2008-02-17 21:41

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of [b]worthless help screens and cursor positioning code![/b]  I just want an [b][u]ED[/u][i]itor[/i]!![/b]
Not a ``[spoiler]viitor[/spoiler]''.  Not a ``[spoiler]emacsitor[/spoiler]''.  Those aren't even [b]WORDS!!!!
ED! ED! [u][i]ED[/i] IS THE STANDARD!!![/u][/b]

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-06 9:28

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