programming - early starters

Something that has always annoyed me is how some people believe they're the best programmers in the world and everyone else sucks since they have been programming in C since they were 9 or some other shit like that. Some of us are not as fortunate to have the resources and people around us to set us up with stuff like that to learn from such a young age.

I've been programming since I was about 15, starting out in Java because that's what my school offered. And even that is better than a lot of other people get, since I had both an Honors and AP Comp Sci, and the teacher was great with a good curriculum so our whole class ended up getting 5's (i think there was just one 4). The class was in Java, sure, but it was a good introduction to programming, and because of it I'm getting a lot more out of my C courses now in College.

Even still, I've met some people who have been programming since they were 9 or 13 or whatever, in C. It's like "I wrote the ANSI C compiler when I was 9 in ANSI C". It pisses me off to no end. I can still write good code in the languages I know, I should still be smart enough to be able to learn programming and be a good programmer in my life. Just because I haven't been programming since I was 2 doesn't mean I'm screwed.

The problem is, I still tend to measure myself against these people and I feel like I'm playing catch-up all the time, and it makes me worry/stressed. Any thoughts on how to deal with this kind of crap?

YHBT

Learning to program as a child could make it more difficult to learn enterprise best practices and may be harmful for your career.

As an added note, I hate the idea of programmers as being used by business people. Like how business people need to find the geniuses, the quote-unquote "good programmers". I read things like this and it sounds like dumb management trying to find smart people that they can exploit for profit:
http://www.inter-sections.net/2007/11/13/how-to-recognise-a-good-programmer/

>>4
Wake up. Capitalism = exploitation
Accept or bleed.

>>4
quote-unquote "good programmers"
You don't actually have to say "quote-unquote" when you can just write the quotes.

perhaps he means ``these quotes''

my daughter can probably write better asm than you, since I've been teaching her. I work as a programming instructor.

I started when I was 12, now I'm 21 with little experience of commercial programming, I like to bitch about Lisp on /prog/ and I use GNU/Linux and nobody ever wants to hire me as a programmer.

I started when I was 22 in fucking Game Maker (fail, I know); I'm 24 now and I'm better than most of the professors at my university.

I have a natural knack; plus ever since I was 9 or so I've not wanted to do anything with my life but make video games.

So, it just depends on your intelligence and motivation.  I bet you could learn something like C inside and out in around 6 months or so if you really wanted to.

>>9 I bet you could learn something like C inside and out in around 6 months or so if you really wanted to.

You probably could, but knowing C well won't make you a great programmer any more than knowing English well will make you a great poet.

>>10

I started learning English when I was 8 and I've been writing great poetry for over 20 years now.

>>6
My BBCODE generator was supposed to turn (quote-unquote "good programmers") into ``proper quotes''. I forgot parentheses.

>>11
so you say. examples?

>>13
When the Sussman cries,
A python dies.
The Scheme rises high,
And strikes from the sky
Like an eagle spotting mouse pie.

(if (sussman-cries) (python-kill) 'false)

>>13

I am an EXPERT POET and I do not need to provide you with examples. Step down from your high horse, peasant. It belongs to me.

On one stormy night, the sky bright with thunder
knock knock at the door - who is that, I ponder
I dash to the gate, open it, I sunder
'tis a filthy snake, at my mat, down under!
I speak carefully, not to make a blunder:

``who be thee, thou spawn of evil?
beast from before medieval
serpent! the tempter primeval!''
-- in my soul a great upheaval
``demon! how come you were tapping?
at my door so gently rapping?
limbless, cursed to move by wrapping!''

The slimy beast hissed, and so before my eyes
I beheld a man - in appearance so wise
I recognised him, now without the disguise
My throat unleashing so desperate cries:

``Infidel! Once a great wizard,
now a slimy tricky lizard
stealing through the flames and blizzard
what be thy business, ex-wizard?''

Thus he spake, the voice bestowed:
``son, you walk the evil road
all what I have you once shown
all what you thanks to me own
now shall within you explode
and have I so forebode:
not through Scheme does point the road
in my mind had always flowed:
FORCED INDENTATION OF CODE''

The problem is, I still tend to measure myself against these people and I feel like I'm playing catch-up all the time, and it makes me worry/stressed. Any thoughts on how to deal with this kind of crap?

Just don't. If they seriously think having started really fucking early places them in some upper caste of programmers, they're full of crap. In any case, it's not worth worrying. Programming is a craft, not a sport. There's no way — or need — to reasonably measure people as programmers. Some are undoubtedly lightyears ahead others, but not simply because they've started earlier (many great programmers started in their twenties or later).

All this ``I'm better than you'' bullshit sounds very childish to me. Just write some fucking code and try to constantly improve. You still have decades left.

(I started programming when I was 8 and have written C since I was 10, for what it's worth.)

>>17
HOW EXQUISITE

ITT: Mediocre /prog/rammers show how mediocre they are.

>>20
The same could be said for all of /prog/, not just this thread.

>>17
Add some BBCode and we will have our very first /prog/ ``poem''.

What is it with people who think that learning a computer language is like some giant undertaking? seriously you guise, its really simple. They're not really anything to learn once you know how it handles typing, control structures and which paradigm it's designed for. You demean yourself when you say you've been learning how to program for years.

>>23
newfag

>>23
programming syntax is easy. programming logic is more difficult.

What I want to know is how 8-10 year olds find out about a programming langauge such as C. I find it all quite hard to believe, and I suspect that we have been trolled constantly.

>>25
logic is easy too!
HURRR if <condition> then <do this>
its basically just tons of more complex versions of that.
The hard part is things like parsing, heuristics, random number generation, time/space efficiency, etc.

>>26
I was 13 when I found out about C - a computer magazine I purchased included the Turbo C compiler on its cover disk. But I was disgusted by the fact that my nearly empty test program was over 10K in size when compiled, when I could do the same in a few bytes in assembler. So I didn't use it.

I'm older and wiser now though.

>>26
When I was 8 to 10 years old, I was moving from BASIC to Assembly language.  Because that's what was available on a Commodore 64.  Also, computers in the 70s-80s required basic programming knowledge just to use them, so kids in that era spent all their after school time doing exactly that.

I studied the basics of C when I was some 11 years old, while waiting for my spaghetti to boil. Ten minutes, approximately, is what it took. Therefore I've got some 15 years of CV-ready experience with C.

Mind, I had been programming shitty little programs in C64 BASIC since 6 years old and Turbo Pascal from 8- or 9-ish. So the transition wasn't that bad, and C had a more straightforward syntax with regard to pointers and memory allocation than Pascal anyhow.

And I had studied 68k assembly at ten years old or so, and 6502 before that. Perhaps C is more difficult to people who aren't used to languages that don't wipe your arse.

I studied the basics of Scheme when I was some 11 years old, while waiting for my spaghetti to boil. Ten minutes, approximately, is what it took. Therefore I've got some 15 years of MIT-ready experience with Scheme.

Mind, I had been programming shitty little programs in DrScheme since 6 years old and Haskell from 8- or 9-ish. So the transition wasn't that bad, and Scheme had a more straightforward syntax with regard to lambdas and parenthesis allocation than Haskell anyhow.

And I had studied TaoCP at ten years old or so, and SICP before that. Perhaps Scheme is more difficult to people who aren't used to languages that don't cudder your car.

>>26
What I want to know is how 8-10 year olds find out about a programming langauge such as C. I find it all quite hard to believe, and I suspect that we have been trolled constantly.
How old are you? Back when I was 10, programming was a very common skill among computer hobbyists. Everyone I knew knew C as ``the language real programmers use'' (of course with inline OMG OPTIMIZED assembly), so it was a logical second step after the horrible brain-numbing BASIC.

>>31
How do I downmod you to -10 ?

OP here

I'm only 18 years old, just starting out college. Some of us didn't get the opportunity of starting out early with C and such, I was forced to start with Java in high school (the earliest they would give classes on programming here, luckily because my high school was fairly elitest the teacher was really smart and good at teaching, although kind of a prick. We learned more about how to "think like a programmer", so I still learned a lot even though I didn't learn a ridiculous amount of Java, which some might actually deem a good thing, since I'm doing really good with C now which I love in college).

I HAVE been around computers my entire life, though, since my dad is an E13 (hopefully some of you know what that means). I worked in MS-DOS a lot and learned the basics of computers from a very young age, but never got the opportunity to program until i was 15 with Java (which our whole class ended up getting 5's on the AP Exam which apparently isn't common at all these days considering most CompSci programs suck ):

I'm still smart and have done well with programming thusfar, and enjoy learning more about the stuff (although I would really like to find more ways to apply the knowledge instead of just dealing with the theoretical shit, which is why I'm trying to learn SysAdmin stuff like Shell Programming in my spare time which I can actually use to make my life easier).

All I'm saying is, just because I didn't start when I was a fetus programming the ANSI C compiler in ANSI C, that doesn't mean that someone who started really young is automatically better than me, as a programmer in life, does it?

You "worked in MS-DOS a lot" and never fucked around with BASICA or QBASIC?

>>35
I'm not him but I instinctively stayed away from any sort of BASIC. Started with x86 Asm, then learned C from K&R and to this day write in C with embedded Asm. I don't know, maybe it was the overly verbose syntax that turned me away.

>>35

No, I didn't. I'd been working around computers and actually using them since I was like, 2 or 3, and mostly just used it for the internet and to search around the file structure to play games and stuff like that. I say MS-DOS since this was around the days where there really was no GUI for Windows, and I was stuck in the black screen with text most of the time sans playing games and writing stuff for school or w/e.

To be honest? No, I never fucked around with BASIC at all. I don't want to sound like an a-hole or anything, but really, at that time, I didn't give a shit about programming or any other serious "computer hobbyist" stuff. I had other stuff going on in my life, like friends and school and sports and what have you, stuff that normal kids do.

I didn't really become as much of a shut-in and learning about all this cool stuff I could do with a computer until I reached high school and found out how much most of humanity sucks. It's weird now though, since my prior skills mean that I'm very good at interacting with people socially (regardless of whether they're a person I dislike or not), yet I also love reading, writing, and learning. I guess that's a positive in this world, considering how many programmers you hear about fitting into the ``cliche" (i.e. hermits who might be smart but can't deal with people, never had a girlfriend, etc etc)

Also, as much as a find C fascinating, I really don't think I could stand programming in it for the rest of my life (especially since it seems to be being used less and less these days outside of school, considering the current and increasing power of hardware). Java sucks too, don't get me wrong, but I really really enjoy languages like Python (especially considering the interpreter is extensible by C) and other languages where you can get things to work quickly but still function well. I love learning C in college and I hope it will teach me a lot so that when I graduate I'll be a better programmer because of it no matter what I program in, but the development time and all the things that can go wrong for just a little more speed/less memory usage are a killer.

I hope you guys don't hold that against me :P (hey, at least I'm not in a Java school, amirite? ;)

>>37

Forgot to say "OP here"

Just to add, anyone remember the days of Prodigy being a viable internet service?

Brings back good memories :D

but the development time and all the things that can go wrong for just a little more speed/less memory usage are a killer.

So you want to write programs more efficiently, but not more efficient programs?

>>39
That sounds... sane.

>>39

I don't want to deal with the much larger development time and extra possible complications usually associated with dynamic memory allocation and pointers if I don't have to

>>39
Programmer time is far more expensive than CPU time.

>>39

I want to write programs in any language that are better structured and have less bugs from the first implementation, instead of some of the buggy messes many people write these days.
I don't want to, however, spend large amounts of time meticulously carving out memory to make my program run just a couple of seconds faster. Seems like a waste of time unless you're a EE writing software for testers running hundreds of FA's or something similar.
I'm planning on becoming a DBA anyways, so the C programming is probably unfortunately wasted on me :(

>>43
a couple of seconds faster

is probably an exaggeration.

/prog/ lurker here

Being the son of a printshop owner, I was using Macintosh computers since I was about 3 years old (a 512k was my first computer) and such that I was using only those until a certain age (around 10 or so) I was totally sheltered from programming and 'real' computing. I lived out in the country, no computing classes, no computer/hacking 'culture' (though I worship those relics now, and wish I could have partaken in that growing up).

I got my first DOS only computer and learned the syntax, played with BASIC, got a hold of C, but by that time, it was what, 2000? My attention span had evaporated, I was forced by my parents to do sports and other shit besides sitting at the computer all day ("You don't ever make anything that amounts to anything, on that goddamn computer!")...

I finally got a hold of Linux and I loved it but wished I could do more with it...

I did an internship in computer science at a university over last summer, the summer I turned 18, where I was taught PHP and MySQL--and for the first time, I found not only this board, but other programming communities that continually ripped on the shortfalls of learning computer science the way I was learning it--and I got seriously discouraged.

I just took my first formal college programming class (out of a business department at a rural university, so of course was Java and was fairly worthless) last semester. I HIGHLY sympathize with the OP with the whole "catching up" feeling. I mean, I did go to college 2 years early, I've had 3 semesters so far... but I mean, if I had gotten into somewhere with a real computer science department... I keep thinking that I'll never succeed in CS. I'm working on getting a copy of SICP with my federal loan money from the college bookstore to read this semester.

tl;dr I started out on Macs, didn't get good programming experience or advice until now, I'm feeling like the OP in that I'll never be as good as all these "I wrote an ANSI C compiler when I was breastfeeding" people

>>45
Being the son of a printshop owner,
That post is pretty long so I don't suppose I'll read the rest, but I like this part.

>>45
You can take over the ole' Print Shop business if your career as a computer scientist fails.

>>45
Your own /prog/ramming skill has nothing to do with others.  If the fact that somebody else is better than you at something discourages you, then you fail at life.

>>45
You're doing it completely wrong. That's your problem. The last thing a programmer should do is take his language seriously (and you sound like you're doing that), because whatever language you're using, it's stupid. Some are less stupid than others, but the minute you assume that some feature of your language is more than an essentially arbitrary design decision, you're entering a world of hurt. This is especially true for e.g. Sepples, but even in well-designed languages WTFs abound.

You can laugh about it, or you can cry about it. It's up to you (you could also choose to develop an irrational emotional attachment to some language and pretend it's good. I advise against this). I'm going to laugh. You need to separate programming, which you presumably enjoy, from programming languages, which are fit only to be laughed at.

Programming languages (and hardware) are toys for you to play with, and nothing more. Programming today is like trying to build a car with Tinker Toys. Completely dismal if you think you're doing it in the best way and somehow you're just too dumb to make it easy. But a lot of fun if you realize you're taking totally inadequate materials and playing a hilarious game of "How good can I make these sticks look?" "What's the craziest thing I can do with totally inadequate materials?" Google for "rat bike". That's what you're doing.

Once you realize this you've got a leg up on all the SERIOUS BUSINESS faggots and on those who don't really enjoy programming. They may like it, and they may do it in their spare time. But unless they cackle with glee when they see something really neat, they don't enjoy programming. They just enjoy writing code, which is entirely different. Writing code is making something that works. It's about action. Programming is making it like it should be, staring in wonder at what thou hast wrought, then giggling at all the stupid things you did. Maybe you fix them, or maybe you let them be because it works and you've got another project to get to, but you know it's all a big joke. You code because you like to see code, and think you've got a neat idea. You see a program in your head, and you want it to BE.

Once you get in the right head space, nothing is worthless. Do I complain that I'm stuck writing Sepples in a stupid programming 2 class years below my level (lol switching majors)? No! I enjoy the chance to play with a strange (oh, so strange) new toy.

ITT: Satori. Listen the FUCK up, and you can be enlightened too. Also learn as much computing history as you can, read a bunch of EWDs, learn every language you hear about, and so on. Only by studying CS philosophy can you free yourself from the minutiae of computers and (our worst enemy) programming languages.

>>49
Repost = Repost(Repost);

>>50
You want me to post it again?

>>49
Wrong, Scheme is the language choice of Lambda Knights, you have clearly not achieved Satori.

>>49
Good post. You just reminded me how much I loathe fanboyism.

>>1

Er. You had no idea who do you want to be up until you were 15, and I'm guessing you made the actual life-altering decision around attaining puberty / drinking / voting rights.

Ergo - you fail.

QED.

>>48
It's not the fact that there are people better than I am, it's the fact that the people who are better than I am have absolutely nothing good to say about the way I was introduced to CS.

>>49
I take comfort in the fact that I have and do laugh when I code, and am intensely interested in computer history. Thank you.

Illumination. You acquire a deep understanding of programming and transcend it, to the point you no longer need to program. Processes, or the definitions of processes, or the definitions of processes defining processes occur in your brain, not in a sequential manner, but all at once. You suddenly realize you know every possible process, and you are no longer interested in its results, so you stop programming and just meditate on the ^universal _knowledge you forged. To procure food, you can do some menial work in inferior programming languages - you no longer care which - but in your spare time, you simply meditate.

>>55
Maybe they are right.

You know when you do something well and see somebody else shitting up projects that it just pisses you off, especially when they don't understand any explanation of why what they're doing is wrong, and when it was totally fucking obvious when you were at their level of experience and already explained to them everything that led you to your own learning.

However, give an experienced person a newbie who is willing to and capable of learning, and the experts will love seeing their progeny develop their skills.

Ergo - you fail, not them.

QED.

>>57
I was merely sharing my story and sympathizing with the OP's concerns of being left behind. It doesn't matter if 'they' are 'right' or not, it's still discouraging.

I am totally willing to accept that the way I do certain things is wrong, I assert nothing against that.

"YUO FAIL QUED OLOLOOLOLOLOL" doesn't even make sense in the context of your post.

>>58
I am totally willing to accept that the way I do certain things is wrong, I assert nothing against that.
I'm not. It's hard to accept you were wrong because it requires a re-wiring of all your thoughts that were built-upon that "wrong" way. If I just accepted I was wrong in a split second I'd never be sure of anything. I am, however, willing to listen to reasoning.

>>59
Then that is why you fail.

>>60
no u

>>45

OP here

Thing is, i wasn't really "left behind" at all. I'm actually a better programmer than most at my age. I'm just complaining about the ``genius" programmers that say they have programmed since they were a fetus and design web sites since they were 13 making 2k a pop, gloating about their accomplishments and how everything is so damn "easy" for them.
I'd love to learn from you, but if you're going to gloat like that DAMNIT STFU ALREADY

Ergo, as has been said, you fail. The worst thing you can do is feed the ego of an expert.

>>62
Yeah, learning programman skills at a young age sometimes happens because the person is a retard who couldn't handle dealing with real people at the time and still can't. (I won't mention asperger's, because that's essentially a cop-out.) They're annoying and best ignored... I mean, the best thing that's going to happen is that you don't end up annoyed by their gloaty tones, and that can be guaranteed by not listening.

On the other hand there's people like me who learned to program for some other reason. (Like looking up to their big brothers, who were programming at the time and then went off to do something completely different after high school...) This doesn't exclude personality defects, but at least I like to think of myself as a relatively reasonable person compared to the rest of my, uhm, "class".

Seriously, who gloats over having made websites at 13? Punch them in the face or something. It's worth working out to get that punchan muscle for.

OP here again

It really pisses me off mostly because not only am I actually quite good at programming (although hardly EXPERT status), I actually have the coveted ``People Skills".

See, not only can I program, but I can FUCKING TALK TO PEOPLE AS WELL TYVM. Also, for some reason I'm good at writing as well (it has never really taken much effort for me to communicate well in writing, and I pretty much have a Masters in B.S.'ing English teachers with the essays I write since I've done it for so long, I know what they want to read to give me a good grade).

Doesn't that count for anything? I figure if I can focus enough on programming (I started at 15 so not like I never had any experience at a semi-early age), shouldn't that work out better for me compared to someone who might have more time invested in programming BASIC or whatever the fuck they programmed in, and *don't* have those skills?

>>64
You do have one flaw: you seem rather excitable. Or are easily annoyed. That, to me, speaks about a possible problem with lack of a sense of proportion.

>>65

Might i remind you that this is a message board? Or have you forgotten? I tend to only act like this online when I'm ranting, as many people do.

Also, lack of sense of proportion wtfux?

>>66
Is there a gibberish translator in the house? I can't make head nor nail of that uber-babble you flung onto the screen during your latest spasmodic seizure. How about putting that into proper syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you are saying before I dismiss it?

Are you normally this dumb or are you just having a blonde moment? Generally, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it. Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. As Abba Eban so aptly said: "His ignorance is encyclopedic."

You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox. What do you do for a living? You are living, aren't you? You have the warm personal charm of a millipede and about as much class as a bucket of mucous lodged on top of a dumpster in a Blue Light district of New Jersey. Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if that pimple on your ass hadn't turned out to be a brain tumor; if your weren't so fat that the elephants throw you peanuts at your local Zoo, or if you didn't have a face that people rub tree branches on to make ugly sticks. Who am I kidding? You would.

You're a message board freak. I know it's hard to accept the truth, but the truth it is, and accept it, you must.

Hrm, that kopipe doesn't really apply here. I should really read 'em before I wontonly paste them in, lulz.

>>67

stale copypasta is old and disgusting

>>67

gibberish? wtf?
I'm sorry, are you Indian? You might want to learn English better before trying to make comments.

obvious troll is obvious -_-

>>58
>"YUO FAIL QUED OLOLOOLOLOLOL" doesn't even make sense in the context of your post.

Yes it does.  It's the response you get in the 1st scenario, which is brought on by yourself, not others.

Again, an EXPERT PROGRAMMER will insult people who can't grasp why they're wrong, and nurture those who can.

Damn it feels good to be an expert programmer.

>>38
Prodigy was _never_ a viable internet service.

(blah blah 6502 assembly when I was 8 blah blah)

I wrote the ANSI C compiler when I was 9 in ANSI C

>>56
please /r/ src

>>75
What are you asking >>56 to request the source to?

>76

I think he wants the source to the thing he believe to be a quote/copypasta

>>75
Yeah, except the vast majority of programmers learned this lesson back in CS 101 and are masters of both high-level abstraction and low-level optimization, always using the former and applying the latter when necessary to make his code run even faster than yours. And he does it without attaching any spiritual nonsense or cult-like militancy to it.

Look, just because you used to be a moron who didn't appreciate high-level optimization (you know, what you've been calling abstraction; it's just the exact same thing on another level) doesn't mean that very programmer who bothers with assembly is. I find it the height of arrogance to declare that anyone who hasn't read your book is a moron who would write a selection sort in assembly. I am not the blind, retarded fastest runner in the world. I am an intelligent, 20/20 vision fastest runner in the world, who doesn't even need low-level optimization to keep up with you, and uses it if he needs to pass you.

I'm not a moron. I can write high-level optimized code. I know how to organize a program so I don't have to waste time searching and sorting every cycle. Just because I write optimized C when I need that extra little boost doesn't mean I suck at programming in general. And yes, I still program in my spare time.

It is a fact that the next step in human evolution involves releasing oneself from the human body, transcending the physical world, becoming a metaphysical entity dwelling in what are widely known as the "tubes" of the Internet, before ultimately reaching the final destination.

The Internet, and modern technology in general, is considered an "unnatural" phenomenon by a vast majority. These people refuse to accept the possibility that technological development is more than simply a set of inventions to make our life more comfortable and simplify daily tasks. They fail to see what is happening on a larger scale, what the ultimate goal of this process is. What really is going on is the creation of a pathway to further evolution of mankind.

With the birth of programming languages, we have gained an entirely new way of expressing information. Not only are we able to model real-world objects and events programmatically, we can form entirely new abstract structures and processes to which there exist no real-world counterparts.

The first step in the imminent spiritual evolution process is understanding the true nature of programming. It is not something that can be described with words, since language is, and has always been, an imperfect method of communication. The structure of a thought in the human brain is made up of words only partially, the rest is composed of more complex elements such as visual elements and feelings. Thus, this realization is a very profound experience. It can be thought of as a kind of enlightenment, or Satori - one becomes a true expert programmer. Achieving Satori requires a very good understanding of programming (especially functional programming) as well as meditation.

Instead of writing about the immediate consequences of Satori, I refer you to my fellow expert programmer http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1183515800/6, who posted an excellent description.

After having achieved Satori and spending a relatively large amount of time meditating, the expert programmer eventually begins to fade away from the physical world. He is finally able to discard the clumsy shell that is the human body. He loses the ego, becomes an omnipresent spirit and acquires an ultimate knowledge of our world, our universe and finally all of our reality. It is worth noting that the metaphysical expert programmer does not "receive" this knowledge, but rather becomes one with it.

It could be thought that the metaphysical expert programmer becomes something of a god, but a more accurate description would perhaps be to say he simply reaches the destination of the long journey that is life. He exists forever and never in a state of timeless nonexistence.

An unfortunate ramification of the nature of this evolution is that so-called normal people, who are not familiar with programming, will not immediately be able to experience this evolution. They may have to go through several lifetimes and reincarnations before being born as someone who later in their life becomes a programmer, but as the very purpose of life is to go from nothing to nothing via a period of existence, it is certain that everybody will eventually go through the aforementioned evolutionary process.

In conclusion, the message I want to spread is that you should stop worrying about mundane matters and instead focus on meditation the art of programming. The end is near, but it's a very pleasant end and we are the first ones headed there.

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