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Help me out, /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 19:40

Okay, so lately, I've been thinking about learning C++. Since, compared to several other languages I've looked at (Java, C#, others), it looks the simplest. Anyone have any good suggestions as to where I could learn more about it?

Also, trying to learn more about computer systems and etc., because I think it'd be easier to understand that way.

thanks a lot, to anyone/everyone who takes the thread seriously.

P.S. - Please don't spam "LEARN HASKELL" :(

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 19:43

The quality of /prog/ trolls has been decreasing lately, which is pretty alarming.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 19:44

>>1
C++ is an awful excuse for a language. Don't learn it unless you're planning to work somewhere that requires it. You can learn C if you want.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 19:46

>>3
Hmm... I'll try it out, if you have a good learning source. I feel bad, because I just bought some crappy C++ book.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 20:21

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

Vaguely useful for you.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 20:22

Learn Objective-C instead.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 20:30

>>6
What's the difference between the two?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 20:55

>>7
C++ is C += a bevy of poorly executed extensions like templates, objects done wrong, the whole iostream setup, an so on.

Objective-C is C += Smalltalk style (i.e. real) objects, along with a few improvements like #import instead of #include, which obviates the need for #include guards, and garbage collection on some systems.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 22:32

>>6 Here, allow me to rephrase my advise.

If you have time, than it is useful to learn both C++ and ObjC and decide for yourself which language to use for which situation. The reason I strongly recommend ObjC is because it is a much cleaner language and gets object oriented programming right.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 22:44

>>9
All right, I'll try that, also. Any good learning references?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 23:16

>>10
If you don't know C, go ahead and learn that one first.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 23:22

>>11
Will do.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 23:25

>>9
Is ObjC any useful outside of OS X?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 23:46

>>13
A language is a language; it's the same no matter what OS you use it on.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-22 23:47

>>13
Yes. You'll probably want GNUstep so you can avoid rewriting the whole library, and you can use whatever regular C libraries you like.

Name: Contessa 2007-11-23 2:19

c# > c++, imo.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 2:49

as far as simplicity goes, visual basic works...

with only a fundamental grasp of the concepts of programming, you can just type in what you want, and it does it...

as far as what you can do with it? fuck, i dunno... i left it alone freshman year of highschool...

the .vbs scripts are fun to write up quick and autostart on a friends machine... every time he logs in, he gets a dialog saying welcome to skynet, or some shit...
other than that, i'm pretty sure it's useless...

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 5:32

>>1
learning C++. Since, compared to several other languages I've looked at (Java, C#, others), it looks the simplest
Hahaha oh wow

Learn Python. Disregard C++, it sucks cocks. Disregard Java, it sucks cocks. Be careful about C#, though it sucks less.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 5:49

>>18
>C# (...) sucks less.
hahahaha oh wow

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 8:24

>>18
I didn't like Python so much because you HAVE to indent. It's not that I mind it, I'd just rather have the option not to indent.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 8:29

>>1
Stroustrup is the biggest troll ever, who the fuck would really think about overloading bitwise operators and saying that it's better learning C++ without any knowledge of C. Listen to people like Paul Graham and The Sussman they know what they are talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 8:34

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5546836985338782440
http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 8:59

lol @ sicp failures itt

sicp sucks, get over it

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 9:15

>>23 didn't understand sicp

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 9:22

>>19
LINQ, lambdas and company make me think C# sucks less.

>>20
GWBASIC fag, indent your code. ALL of your code. Even a shitty 4 lines script. You never know when that quick script will end up as part of a real application, or when you'll have to maintain it and might make a mistake.

It's exactly for people like you, who don't always like to indent, that Python forces indentation. The less you like indenting, the more annoying the forced indentation of code is. I love it.

>>23
I'm sorry for you, not being able to understand SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 9:22

I've been thinking about learning C++ Since ... it looks the simplest

LOLWUT

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 10:29

>>24
>>25
have never posted anything besides "read sicp" and various other worthless memes

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 11:36

>>27
Butthurt Cfag

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 12:48

>>27
read sicp

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 12:50

>>29
read sicp

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 12:51

>>25
LINQ, lambdas and company make me think C# sucks more.
fixd

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 12:58

>>27
Doesn't realize SICP contains the passageway to Nirvana.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 13:28

>>32
passageway to Nirvana
Doesn't understand SICP.

Name: Laurond 2007-11-23 18:20

I think u should get some of what you want here:
http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/table_of_contents.html
http://www.cplusplus.com/
http://www.dinkumware.com/
Dude, did you ever bump into this thingey called, uhm...
Google?
and oh, here is something 4 u 2 read.
Not to good, but, hey, I didn't write it! *Not that i would be able 2*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 18:29

>>34
lol u tk him 2da bar|?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 19:29

It was a good topic until after >>17.

Thanks, to the people who actually posted something useful/helpful.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 22:45

>>36
Why don't you read SICP, seriously ? Instead of learning shitty languages that makes you hate programming.

watching this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5546836985338782440 and reading this http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html would be a great idea. Why don't you want to learn scheme, which would obviously make of you a way better programmer ? Answer expected.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-23 23:28

>>36
HAHAHAHA
YOU THINK YOURE THOUGH UH ?
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
  THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO
YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT MY OTHER CAR I GUESS ?
ITS A CDR
AND IS PRONOUNCED ``CUDDER''
OK YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER
THIS IS /prog/
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO POST HERE ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SATORI
PROGRAMMING IS ALL ABOUT ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' THAT YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND
I HAVE READ SICP
IF ITS NOT DONE YOU HAVE TO
TOO BAD RUBY ON RAILS IS SLOW AS FUCK
BBCODE AND ((SCHEME)) ARE THE ULTIMATE LANGUAGES
ALSO
WELCOME TO /prog/
EVERY THREAD WILL BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTION

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 12:02

>>37
Is it really that good?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 12:04

>>39
Yes.
Don't change these.
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