Want a REAL Challenge?

You PROGRAMMERS think you're EXPERT enough to do shit? Take some time off making your Lisp compiler and Python anti-cudder routines and join the Hurd project http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html . It's guaranteed to make you 3000% geekier than you already are.

Were not going to work on some unix kernel you want done. shut up and gtfo my interwebs. thx

Eat shit, RMS.

What the Hurd means
According to Thomas Bushnell, BSG, the primary architect of the Hurd:

    `Hurd' stands for `Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons'. And, then, `Hird' stands for `Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth'. We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms.

Man and i though GNU was a fucking shitty term.
Why cant people make decent names for shit.

GNU/Turd is a decent name for shit.

If you're sane, join Plan 9 instead.

Why are people so anti-Stallman? RMS did more for you than you ever will yourself, providing you with a free, portable, real operating system, compiler and utilities. Instead of tagging Slashdot news with "drmsucks", he actually goes and tries to do something and be on TV.

Sure, his brace style sucks. Sure, he may look like a GNU/Hippy. But he's a good person who cares of the rights of people other than him and writes serious software for everyone.

>>7
He DID decent stuff back then. Now he's just a burned out pot head who hates everyone who doesn't agree 100% with his beliefs and spends his time being an attention whore (he assumes people still give a crap about whatever he says) and nitpicking on license details rather than do anything decent.

>>2
They won't ask you to work on the kernel... there is no kernel!  They'll probably discuss your ideas for a secure OS though.  And they might want some help with coming up with a good language to write the kernel in.  A Lisp is the current candidate.

>>9
good language to write the kernel in.  A Lisp is the current candidate.
Best troll ever.

it's scalable
it's extensible
it's stable
OH GOD I MUST HAVE THIS ENTERPRISE SOLUTION

>>8
who, linus?

oh, stallman. right

- When will HURD come out?
 - Next year, maybe.

Regarding RMS: He did a lot of good, regarding free software. It would be a far worse world without the FSF. But he one annoying person, that takes principles a bit too serious. May be that that is the reason why he is so successful.

DragonFlyBSD (http://www.dragonflybsd.org) has a fuckton more promise than the shitty HURD project. And it's BSD-based, so it's even more fucking awesome.

>>10
I'm not trolling, I'm telling the truth.  The HURD (well, at least the microkernel) might be written in a Lisp.

>>17

1. Browse or download the fucking code: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/hurd/hurd/

2. It is GNU. Ok ever heard of the GNU coding standard?!

3.1 Which Languages to Use

When you want to use a language that gets compiled and runs at high speed, the best language to use is C. Using another language is like using a non-standard feature: it will cause trouble for users. Even if GCC supports the other language, users may find it inconvenient to have to install the compiler for that other language in order to build your program. For example, if you write your program in C++, people will have to install the GNU C++ compiler in order to compile your program.

>>18
Sorry, that code is from the legacy Hurd.  Legacy Hurd only lives on to give the developers experience writing system tools for the Hurd 2.  Also, only perhaps half of the developers still care about it.

it will cause trouble for users.

Impossible, the kernel will be mathematically proven bugfree (this is much easier with a language for real men).

Anyway, the system tools will probably be written in C (with the occasional Guile scripting support, I believe).

hates everyone who doesn't agree 100% with his beliefs and spends his time being an attention whore and nitpicking on license details rather than do anything decent.

What if you had no right to do anything decent? Think of the trusted computing platform. You will not be able to run anything that is not approved. How would you like to have all your software registered and approved by some regulatory commission? How would you like to be registered and monitored by some regulatory commission for possessing a compiler and debugger or going through electrical engineering? How would you like to obtain permission before you have the right to modify your own computer? It may not be in fruition now but that's the natural path that will happen if we don't oppose it. Your language also shows that you are ignorant of his plight. Where does he say he hates anyone? He doesn't. His campaign is about the USER's right to control their own computer.

he assumes people still give a crap about whatever he says
The governments in India, Venuzuela, and Austria seems to like the concept of free software rather than open source.

Shit is coded in a shit language.
Implementing an object-oriented system in C?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Move out of your caves and see the light of C++ already, you primitive fucks.

>>21 see the light of C++
Oh wow. Sepples is a degenerate language.

>>8
I believe disabling software patents and digital AIDS (DRM, treacherous computing, etc.) is a little more than "license details".

>>17
That'd be a good idea. Remember the original idea at the GNU project was to use Lisp. C was only a necessary evil.

>>21
Doesn't understand OO. Still thinks OO means C++ or Java.

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http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/hurd/hurd/libcons/
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http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/hurd/hurd/libcdr/

>>6
Seriously, i read like 4 src/ files from their libstdio, and i already found some redundancy in their code.
fuck that

http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/libstdio/fgets.c
>    if(n) *s='\0';
That if(n) is not needed.
*s = '\0';
There, p9 devs. i fixed it for you.

(and before you reply, look at the code and actually *understand* what it does)

>>25

You're not that guy from Freenode are you?

>>20

What if you had no right to do anything decent? Think of the trusted computing platform. You will not be able to run anything that is not approved. How would you like to have all your software registered and approved by some regulatory commission? How would you like to be registered and monitored by some regulatory commission for possessing a compiler and debugger or going through electrical engineering? How would you like to obtain permission before you have the right to modify your own computer? It may not be in fruition now but that's the natural path that will happen if we don't oppose it. Your language also shows that you are ignorant of his plight. Where does he say he hates anyone? He doesn't. His campaign is about the USER's right to control their own computer.
like, say Vista?

>>25
What if n = 0?

>>27
Vista is the first step towards that. A DRM OS. If it weren't for the uproar related to treacherous computing, Vista would have been even lamer and they would piss on your rights even more. You can thank those GNU/Hippies because they fought for a right of yours you are incapable of defending.

>>28
If n ≥ 1 on start, it will never become ≱ 1 (the loop will exit before that) and n ≥ 1 at the point of that if. If n ≱ 1 on start, it will return NULL because c = EOF ∧ s = as, never reaching that point.

Therefore n ≥ 1 at that point and the if is useless because it will always succeed.

BTW I think "c = EOF;" and "c == EOF &&" could be removed too.
Also:
(and before you reply, look at the code and actually *understand* what it does)

Not same fag.

>>29
fuck you nigger i'm not the same person with the RMS basher.

>>23
>>27
>>29

DRM is not bas in its essence, it is the way DRM behaves to implement it. As long as shoving a CD into your dive was ok, but now they phone home or do other nasty stuff. My opinion on DRM is simple, from a technical standpoint it is a waste of money. Every DRM was broken in one way or the other within 2 weeks. The Vista Premium Content Protection mechanism costs a shit load of money, money that could be put to better use.

Similar thing with TCPA only worse. Trusted computing is in its essence and basic idea, good because if properly implemented it can greatly increase your privacy. But that is not what MS has in store for us. They do not trust the user, that person that it was designed to protect. TC is considered a copy protection mechanism that is protected by copyright law. Think DMCA and similar. Even trying to mess (just trying to reverse enginiere) with the system gets you in jail.

It actually gets worse, they (MS, IBM and co) are trying to put a law into act (depends on your country) that TC is MANDATORY. That is just writing a "hello world" program is considered a breech of law. (Though there might be a exception for that.) This is the death of any innovation outside of big companies. Even if some free OS and programs get the license (not to think of the actual cost) they are binary frozen and require a new license for every release. If this gets implemented (in law) someone will have a money printing machine...

The FSF and FSFE are important bodies, because the create a counterweight against the corporate lobbies. They work has grately influence the EU Software Patent proceedings and the result is 3 failed attempts.

>>32
Microsoft can't do shit.
Smart people can avoid laws with one way or another.
As for the dumb ones, who gives a shit.

I like FSF, RMS and GNU. Also, i can visualize RMS' dream, and why GPL is written the way it is written.

But think of it this way: if microsoft did not exist 1) computers would be a lot less popular (which is good and bad at the same time..), 2) software would be lesser than now (no commercial programmers, no competition for free programmers to re-write a commercial app), no programming jobs, no nothing.

I'm glad microsoft/people that want my freedom exists, so i can steal them.

I'm glad microsoft/people that want my freedom exists, so i can steal them.
want as in 'own' it.

For your dose of propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k81CqmAxA8

Not many words, but to the point.

>>33
If Microsoft didn't exist IBM would have stayed with Digital Research and thats where a real innovator in the computer industry was (Gary Kildall). IBM was practically the only reason anyone has heard of Microsoft because they were already powerful and all they did was piggyback them. Since IBM was already well established, it helped boom the industry with the first computer to be called a "PC".

>>33

Yes, they can have you put to jail once the appropriate laws are in place. Tampering, even trying to tamper with the MS Vista Premium Content Protection will get you in jail now. The laws to get you in jail are in place already, the only thing is they can not (yet) force you to use TCPA. But they have made already attempts, which luckily failed. And they is not only Microsoft.

First if IBM would not be around and they release their specs for their arch, you would this type of computer. If Bill would have not been around we would probably run OS/2 or Unix. Probably also more GNU/Linux, but that came quite late. There is a good chance that Mac or SGI would be the leading company in computers. Bill Gates actually jumped the bandwagon, the only thing MS did right was their extensive computing.

I doubt that Microsoft has such a strong influence on history. I would estimate at max 5 years delay without them and maybe less private use. (Less morons in the internet, yay.) But the landscape would definitely be more diverse. (Or only IBM, not better really.)

You must also say that Microsoft has a negative effect on software developers, people (users and devs) get used to mediocre software, that is definitely not the way to go. Even though mediocre software is cheaper in the beginning, the overall costs, including those of the user, are significantly bigger. I do not think MS is a bliss for humanity.

>>37
One way that MS and the rest of the software industry has held back innovation was with Windows. Majority of computers require compatability with outdated technologies such as the x86 instruction set or even the BIOS. We need people to jump to CPU architectures that don't require the overhead of translating fat instructions into simpler ones.

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