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THIS IS A THREAD BY A JAVA NEWBIE

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 22:26 ID:+SZwc+GC

Hello friends, I want to learn Java. Should I use Microsoft's Visual J# for developing Java projects or should I use Notepad or something? I want to develop ENTERPRISE LEVEL programs.

Reply faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 22:47 ID:Heaven

NO EXCEPTIONS

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 23:10 ID:iI7+ghjG

>>1
Who cares? Either way, you're writing Java. I vote for Notepad. Hopefully it will slow you down enough to come to your senses.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 23:14 ID:Heaven

use wordpad, notepad is a dead technology.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 23:31 ID:Q7IJOWmq

>>4
Wordpad is a dead technology, use microsoft office 2007 to code your java programs.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 23:32 ID:NAVmkI9v

Use notepad or Eclipse.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 23:33 ID:Q7IJOWmq

>>5 microsoft office 2007 is a dead technology.

1. Read SICP
2. ????
3. New technology.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 0:44 ID:5E/FyB7O

Use Eclipse.

Eclipse is written in Java, so it will understand your code better, compile it faster, and make suggestions about your code.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 0:48 ID:yx9VjTN5

>>8
What sort of suggestions?
'`Add more methods!`'
'`You need another subclass!`'
'`Is sure is a shame that I can't write that boilerplate for you!`'

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:02 ID:XaYjxIvi

>>9
stop using faggot quotes

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:04 ID:Heaven

>>10
stop being a faggot

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:12 ID:NG52cCqm

>>9
I do believe I lol'd.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:16 ID:uheIk+/q

>>8
and make suggestions about your code.
Clippy style?

It looks like you're writing an Enterprise scalable application.

Do you want to:

1. Lean about enterprise best practices
2. Make it more consumer-oriented
3. Just keep writing without help (faggot)
3. Other:

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:25 ID:4PWE3kqy

Man, if you need a fancy editor to be effective in a language, that language is fucked. Using one is fine, but requiring it to be effective is quite another.

That applies to Java, Lisp, and C++ to some degree.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:32 ID:yx9VjTN5

>>14
Doesn't really apply to Lisp. It's nice to have brace matching (not especially fancy), but at least writing the actual code is no chore. And you get the hang of watching parens anyway. You don't need intellisense and popup lists of millions of methods, that's for sure.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:44 ID:4PWE3kqy

>>15
Lisp is certainly less fail, but the brace matching is exactly what I was thinking of. Those braces are a chore, even if they serve a useful purpose.

There has to be a better way. Whatever happened to M-expressions?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 1:57 ID:XaYjxIvi

Lisp is certainly less fail
In what universe?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 2:08 ID:d/UDg7a2

>>17

In what universe?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 2:17 ID:yx9VjTN5

>>16
I supposed the forced indentation of the code is the next best option. M-expressions, at least as I understand them, would be nearly as bad as or worse than sexps. Mexps seem to just drop the outer layer of parens (more accurately they move the function name outside those parens) and add commas as list delimiters. So they actually mean more typing, and no fewer parens ( [] are actually used instead).

As a matter of fact, ))))) is not a problem limited to Lisp and discussions of drone music. Even in C, I've made it to )));. Add a bit of arithmetic inside that, and you could easily hit Lispy tangles of parens. It just happens more often in Lisp because a functional style is preferred rather than ignored.

If I were moving to improve the situation, my first step would be to add [], {}, and <> to the list of acceptable brace characters. <> are already used in CL to denote unprintable representations, but that's not an issue in theory. The Lisp reader would check to make sure that each brace style was matched by the proper closing brace, so "(})" would yield an error (close "}" found with no matching open "{"), but "({})" would be fine. I think this would make it much easier to scan Lisp code quickly. A programmer could start a defun with "(" and know that they have to hit ")" at the end.

The next step might be to use a thread over system (iexp based) to write the code. This is a pretty popular approach, but it has failed to catch on thus far. It could be a tad ambiguous, I think.

It's a bit of a moot point though. Oh, where will we programmers ever find someone to make sure our text editors do brace matching? I guess if you're writing your code in Notepad or ed you may be in for a headache, but no moreso than keeping your indentation in order.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 4:05 ID:4PWE3kqy

>>17
Every universe. I loathe Java.

It's a great example of a language can do almost everything wrong, yet still succeed because it was easier than C++, and was pushed by the marketing clout of a large corporation.

The only thing noteworthy in the whole affair is the JVM.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 4:09 ID:4PWE3kqy

>>19
It just happens more often in Lisp because a functional style is preferred rather than ignored.
Maybe, but I haven't see anything remotely like it with, say, Ocaml.

The next step might be to use a thread over system (iexp based) to write the code.
I've only played with Scheme a bit, so you're going to have to elaborate on this a bit, or provide some pointers. Is it related to macros?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 7:16 ID:PUvmdzKy

>>19
shut the FUCK up, no one gives a shit about yuor opinions

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 8:47 ID:DdeRgZj1

I've chosen Notepad++.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 8:55 ID:3VwqM3hV

I've chosen DrScheme.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 13:20 ID:yx9VjTN5

>>21
Maybe, but I haven't see anything remotely like it with, say, Ocaml.
Well, that's because Ocaml uses a fair number of infix operators, drops parens in favor of indentation, doesn't put arguments in parens, and adds optional syntactic sugar like ;;, begin and end. They also put closing braces on their own line. I suppose you could remake Lisp to work more like that, but macros would become difficult, I think, and I'm not sold on the idea that all those extraneous keywords are better for read- and write-ability than parens.

Lining up your closing parens like braces in C might be a good idea if you have a huge problem with getting them right, but it's telling that it's a style that has never caught on.

Is it related to macros?
No, it would be based on the forced indentation of the code.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 16:04 ID:XbF5sWTL

Use Notepad++ and the console.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 16:30 ID:AekAR8+9

Lies, dr. Java

Do it faggot

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 21:01 ID:J5byNahd

Ho To All

Right now i'm Trying to Develope my Custom Tab Control in Asp.Net Using Vb.net

I have Taken arrayList of Tab Class in my Tab Control Class i have added some methods to Tab Control Class after Compiling code in vs.net

as we all know that visual Environment contains Array Object so that the user can Add tab object visually through control Preperty
@ design time with out declaring it in code

But the Problem is it Shows System.Object Type rahter then array of my Tab Object to Avoid this problem i used to declare tab object in code then access its method so if some body knows let me know how i can do this thing @ run Time

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 21:54 ID:4PWE3kqy

I'm not sold on the idea that all those extraneous keywords are better for read- and write-ability than parens.
I am, even considering the inevitable order of precedence and other corner-cases that infix introduces.

but macros would become difficult
And therein lies the rub. Lisp macros are pretty amazing.

I haven't decided yet if Lisp macros make a big difference in development though.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 21:59 ID:Heaven

Ho To All

Right now i'm Trying to Develope my Custom Tab Control in Asp.Net Using Vb.net

I have Taken arrayList of Tab Class in my Tab Control Class i have added some methods to Tab Control Class after Compiling code in vs.net

as we all know that visual Environment contains Array Object so that the user can Add tab object visually through control Preperty
@ design time with out declaring it in code

But the Problem is it Shows System.Object Type rahter then array of my Tab Object to Avoid this problem i used to declare tab object in code then access its method so if some body knows let me know how i can do this thing @ run Time

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 21:59 ID:sdLm18u+

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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 22:01 ID:onFgui3U

>>31
Uhh... you do realize 31 is included in 30-999? Was this your intent?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 22:01 ID:yx9VjTN5

>>31
Didn't you mean
>>1-30
>>32-999?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 22:04 ID:sdLm18u+

>>32,33
I meant :
>>1-29
>>31-999
and when I posted it someone else posted before and I didn't see it

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-29 22:15 ID:Heaven

Ah, so there were a total of two factors at play here. First of all, you made a typo in the post ID ranges. Secondly, by pure chance, someone had posted before you, just as you were posting.

This thread has ended peacefully.

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-25 6:34

That's a type unification?

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