/prog/ - Who invented the ``proper quotes"?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:06 ID:JvHX/3Y2

I'm pretty sure Knuth didn't, since there was roff before TeX, and I believe proper quotes were already used...

Any EXPERT TYPESETTING HISTORIANS here?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:07 ID:qxBSU80I

The Sussman did.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:07 ID:SnKWJZAE

>>1
stop using faggot quotes

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:12 ID:vrE6Casw

The Sussman and rms.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:13 ID:JvHX/3Y2

Alright, my research has shown that RUNOFF does not have ``proper quotes''.

I guess runoff doesn't either... roff?

>>3
Well, the single quotes expand too much, so you can't have too many of them in a title.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:31 ID:vGA7YrpN

Hay guys just use the quote operator ok? It's not faggotry, it can be safely nested, it's flexible, it doesn't look like ass, and it doesn't end up requiring \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".

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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:32 ID:Heaven

>>1
I did.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:33 ID:Heaven

>>8
I actually invented the proper quote meme, if that's what you're asking?

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-06 12:27

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Name: Trollbot9000 2009-07-01 9:27

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Name: Anonymous 2010-12-21 18:52

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 11:55

Bump for an answer to my thread or a confirmation of my findings.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 12:27

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Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 16:32

joh joh joh /prog/ is so fresh against /prog/ reddit looks like a rat

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 13:56

Maybe I should ask on Reddit? I do think I have an account.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 15:54

``ASCII proper" quotes?
“Proper” quotes?
"Straight" quotes?

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 16:06

>>19 here
ASCII proper have been around as long as Usenet. Finding the origin would be difficult as fuck.

Proper quotes have been around much longer than computers. Straight quotes were a simplication to save on two characters (left/right single and left/right double compressed into single and double).

Quotes go back to the Baroque, I think… Proper quotes are a result of inverted commas.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 16:40

>>19-20
Clarification:

The characters ``' and `'' used to indicate the start and end of a quotation to a program running on a computing machine.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 19:03

You are all forgetting ⁶⁶expert quotes⁹⁹

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 11:21

>>21
Raises a good question. Do any parsers, interpreters, or compilers recognise ` (grave accent, $60 in ASCII) as a quote? I mean, with dumb programs, it might be easier to layer your quotes using what I am calling ASCII proper.

A smart program would know to keep a counter and to layer quotes appropriately, but who’s to say the people who came up ASCII proper had smart parsers, interpreters, or compilers? They might have relied on using the grave to indicate a start, and a single quote to indicate an end. From there, it could just seep into their writing styles using double graves and double quotes.

(All conjecture on my part, though.)

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 11:23

>>21
Wait. Just reread what you are saying. You are actually saying people DID use parsers, interpreters, or compilers that used graves for quotes? Really?

Which ones? Why are they so shitty? Who came up with that dumb idea? Why not write a smarter program?

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 11:39

>>24
But this way you can have nested quotes without any escaping mechanism!

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 12:09

>>25
So?

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 12:46

>>23
Actually it seems the ` is just replaced with a left quote, so the nesting doesn't matter.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 13:00

Refer to the Lisp backquote.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 13:06

>>27
So using a grave ($60 (`)) offers no benefits with dumb programs, looks as dumb as using diacritics as decorations, and, now we have Unicode and decent bandwidth, offers no good reason to use it nowadays over $2018 (‘) $2019 (’), $201C (“) and $201D (”) or just the straight quotes of $27 (') and $22 (")?

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-25 22:55

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Who invented the ``proper quotes"?

1 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:06 ID:JvHX/3Y2

2 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:07 ID:qxBSU80I

3 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:07 ID:SnKWJZAE

4 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:12 ID:vrE6Casw

5 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:13 ID:JvHX/3Y2

6 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:31 ID:vGA7YrpN

7 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:31 ID:oK0nSXR9

8 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:32 ID:Heaven

9 Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 18:33 ID:Heaven

10 Name: Anonymous 2009-03-06 12:27

11 Name: Trollbot9000 2009-07-01 9:27

14 Name: Anonymous 2010-12-21 18:52

15 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 11:55

16 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 12:27

17 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 16:32

18 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 13:56

19 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 15:54

20 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 16:06

21 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 16:40

22 Name: Anonymous 2011-08-11 19:03

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