The thing is I want to learn. :( I picked up C++6 Bible, and C++ for dummies, the think that fucked me up in school was the fact that I got hit by a car and winded up in the hospital for 2 weeks while they "Ran" their tests for crap, and before that I actually had a highscore in that class, like 94%A, but I came back and there were on fucking IF statements, switches, counters, and some crap w/ for loops.
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Anonymous2007-07-31 12:53 ID:6GEi7J9l
>>11
Yeah, cause if statements and loops are just so baffling. Seriously, if you can't figure that stuff out you have no business programming. It sucks that you were in the hospital or whatever, but if you don't understand conditionals you'll never understand stuff like recursion or inheritance. Some people just can not program, no matter how hard they try. Good luck with your career in the fast food industry.
>>11
FUCKING SAGE FOR THIS PATHETIC EXCUSE
NEVER GIVE EXCUSES TO YOURSELF
BLAME IT ALL ON YOU
IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, IT IS YOUR FAULT
IF YOUR PROGRAM DOES NOT RUN, IT IS YOUR FAULT
IF YOU CANT FIND A SOLUTION FOR A PROBLEM THAT BUGS YOU A WEEK NOW, ITS YOUR FAULT
IF A LIBRARY IS NOT WELL WRITTEN OR DOCUMENTED BY SOMEONE, IT IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT
NOW GO. GET K&R AND A COPY OF THE STANDARD. STUDY IT. MAKE IT A PART OF YOUR LIFE. AND MOST OF ALL, GTFO.
>>8
Also, Certs != Intelligent or knowledgeable.
My high school teacher had a bunch of certs but she couldn't set up a simple network, install Windows, or even write basic HTML without dreamweaver.
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Anonymous2007-07-31 13:21 ID:eQukF/q1
>18
That is true, especially with the Tards saying "OMGosh I have a A+ I'm elite!11!"
I just don't understand why in living hell programming is hard for me, I can write html in notepad, I admit I use dreamweaver, but I use it for ease, for example I like it I can play with layouts directly instead of guessing the size/width and will it fit okay in browsers.
I read over the little C++ books, but it's like written in another language... :( I tried posting in forums for info, but even then it gets me to nowhere. :(
Maybe I'm just good as a person who sets up things/troubleshoot them, and not the one who creates them. :(
Installation, Troubleshooting, Configuration, etc easy crap but it's nice to have since people think, LINUX?! You must be some SUPER HACKEr, You're Hired!, Even tho I can't program worth shit.
>>28
The only people that are going to think that are people that know absolutely fucking nothing about technology (i.e. everyone in pretty much any field of IT or software development). The reality is that you're not going to get more than an entry-level job with just Linux+ or A+, and even that could be difficult.
>>11
FUCKING SAGE FOR THIS PATHETIC EXCUSE
NEVER GIVE EXCUSES TO YOURSELF
BLAME IT ALL ON YOU
IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, IT IS YOUR FAULT
IF YOUR PROGRAM DOES NOT RUN, IT IS YOUR FAULT
IF YOU CANT FIND A SOLUTION FOR A PROBLEM THAT BUGS YOU A WEEK NOW, ITS YOUR FAULT
IF A LIBRARY IS NOT WELL WRITTEN OR DOCUMENTED BY SOMEONE, IT IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT
NOW GO. GET K&R AND A COPY OF THE STANDARD. STUDY IT. MAKE IT A PART OF YOUR LIFE. AND MOST OF ALL, GTFO.
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Anonymous2007-07-31 22:37 ID:tBm2v5h5
There are languages designed for beginners: Pascal (without extensions), Logo, BASIC (B = beginner's), some versions of Smalltalk, etc.
The one I started with was Pascal, designed originally by Niklaus Wirth, a professor teaching if's and loops to noobs. I'm sure he has written several beginner books throughout his career.
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Anonymous2007-07-31 23:09 ID:Iv/Mn3it
maybe it's not programming, maybe it's c++ the problem? anyway, you should read K&R and sicp as you've been told, do the excerises and that stuff.
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Anonymous2007-08-01 2:55 ID:JFhusOiP
van Rossum's original purpose for Python was to make it easy enough for everyone to program.
And he likes to write papers.
I bet he has some hand-holding beginner texts.
why_the_lucky_stiff supposedly does the same thing for Ruby, but I'd Google for van Rossum+beginner+programming first.
>>38
You're retarded. If you're going to make stupid comments, restrain it to one topic, please?
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Anonymous2007-08-01 10:00 ID:0kIUQYr5
I don't see how you could fail on something as simple as an if statement. However I do have had similar experiences in school, mainly math. You start reading in the book about some new concept and get a pretty clear mental model of how it works, but then as soon as the teacher opens his/her mouth and gives an explanation I could go all "Buh?" and suddenly become reduced into not understanding and spend a bunch of hours trying to figure out what teacher meant only to realize afterwards that the model I had made up was correct and actually more concise since what the teacher told was a simplification so the dumb would understand.
tl;dr: You're not necessarily stupid. People have different mental models and learning becomes harder when you can't understand your teacher's.
Programming is something you're best off learning by relying on yourself to teach it and not other people, practice is as important as theory. If you run into something you don't understand write a test program and keep altering and examine how the behavior differs while following the flow in your head instead of just reading a chapter over and over.
I'd also recommend ditching what you've learned about C++ if your teacher was a faggot who religiously taught OOP. No beginner should ever have to put up with that.
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Anonymous2007-08-01 10:45 ID:nuNFanGX
Lawl, it's like max script. Something very simple. If you suck at math then good luck. My god it's pretty simple to do case and if statements. LOGICALLY, IF YOU DO SOMETHING THEN something would happen.