.NET IS A DECENT ENTERPRISE SOLUTION

Discuss.

I feel like replying, but I can't get the pictures of me ripping your heart from your chest through your mouth out my head.

>>1
lol no.

actually he's right, microsoft deserves a lot of respect for what they've done

personally i'm a bsd fool and i have been ever since i ordered my first 3.2 cd set but i am realistic and besides from microsoft actually having a lot of nice technologies, they do get a lot of shit from people who don't even know what they're talking about

if anyone can give ms shit it's me, during some time recently when i worked at a web hosting company i had to manage some wintendo 2k3 servers, i am not kidding, there were nights that i cried over my terminal having rdesktop open to some wintendo server, i cried because iwas so frustrated over how it worked

mainly the usual problems with graphical server system for someone who is used to a shell

but back on topic, microsoft has some really nice technologies that are easy to overlook

>>4
It's-a me, I like your pasta!

wtf is .NET? wasn't that a bubble?

>>4
Nice technologies from Microsoft:
All their versions of BASIC (when used as intended)
The Start Menu
That 3d chess game on Vista

Bad technologies from Microsoft:
Everything else

For example: Windows, Active Desktop, ActiveX, IE1-6, Visual Studio, NTFS, FAT32, DOS, Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, Windows Live [anything], SUA, Terminal Server

>>7
All their versions of BASIC (when used as intended)
How is it intended to be used?
That 3d chess game on Vista
It's a straight copy of the OS X chess.

NTFS is fine

The Start Menu

The start menu is a godawful UI metaphor.

NTFS is fine
But implemented by a band of ass pirates that don't know how to program.

>>11
I don't quite understand you. Did you disassemble microsoft drivers?

>>12
No, he's the lead NTFS programmer at Microsoft.

>>12
No, but I've read about Linux-NTFS, where they have thoroughly tested what Windows does.  If you thought implementing bugs in Wine was bad enough, imagine implementing insane bugs in a filesystem driver.

A sane NTFS driver (of course not Windows compatible) would probably be a nice thing.  I wonder if the true NTFS has support for UNIX ACLs.

>>14

What's wrong with NT's ACLs?

>>15
Microsoft made them.

>>14
NTFS has support for arbitrary metadata, so you can always store it in some stream like :$UNIXACL or whatever.

>>7
The Start Menu
Are you serious? The Start menu is a disaster. It has got to be the most disorganized UI widget in all of computing. I'd much rather the Windows 3.1 way of doing things (and most people do too, because they end up filling their desktops with icons and folders of icons to avoid having to deal with the fucking start menu).

After using the GNOME/KDE self-organizing menus, I can't understand how people even find things in that piece of shit.

tl;dr Your opinion is wrong.

After using the GNOME/KDE self-organizing menus,

What are they? Link please

>>19
Just the start menu. I've used KDE's, and I don't see where's the big difference, other than the pain in the ass it's to edit  it (which leads me to learn command names for stuff not automatically added to the start menu because it's a pain in the ass to use that damn slow editor), and maybe the search feature,  which almost is a great idea because it doesn't launch menu items you match, just highlights them.

Vista has very good search field built into start menu.
Instead of using these stupid menus you can type name of program you want to run and press enter.

>>21
It's called "run," and it's been in Windows since 500 BC.

>>22
run only runs executables in PATH
vista's thing searches for shortcuts in start menu (and in PATH too)

>>23
You don't need Windows DRM Edition for that, you can do that with Start+Run in Windows 2000 too. Just add what you want to run to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths .

>>20
OH MY GOD...I HAVE TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT MY OS TO MAKE IT EASIER!!!

'Just'?

Hmm.
Linux can do this already, no faggotry necessary.

But then again, in Windows, programs are usually installed in their own separate directories named after the company that wrote them. Fantastic idea, that. Let's make things harder.

This software needs more .NET

>>27
The Start menu ends up looking the same way too. Are all my games in Games? Fuck no, they're all in EA or Eidos or id or...

>>27
It's a bad idea to install shit in separate directories named after companies, who cares about that. But it's a great idea to install shit in separate directories, and that's where the FHS fails and Windows is far more flexible. It's a terrible idea to have all the bullshit tossed into the same directories; it makes applications non-relocatable and hard to move and delete because there's shit everywhere. You depend entirely on package managers, and if you want to take an application from one machine to another running the same kernel but using a different distribution without the package for this application, you dine in hell. It's also difficult or impossible to install several versions of the same application for development, and Unix is supposed to be development-friendly. In short, FHS is even worse shit.

>>29
Yes, but in Windows it's easier to edit by directly dragging and dropping menu items, although it has bugs. KDE menus have to be edited with that clumsy, slow editor.

Note that I'm not a winfag, I'm in fact using Lunix. I just admit the few spots where Windows does better, and we're discussing these in this thread.

>>30
Yes, but in KDE it's easier to edit by directly editing the menu files on the command line, and it's less buggy. Windows menus have to be edited by clumsy dragging and dropping.

Honestly, I wish other platforms adopted appfolders like NeXT and Mac OS X have. It makes perfect sense. You can put all the programs in one place, move them around without breaking shit, and installing/deleting is a drag and drop.

(btw, also use Linux -- KDE and Gnome both. I prefer Gnome's simplicity but admire KDE's flexibility. I wish I didn't have to compromise one for the other.)

>>31
Though if we're counting on the command line, you can edit Windows menu too by moving .lnk files and directories around.

KDE's pretty nice, albeit it's a bit of a memory whore (though a good part of it is shared among KDE applications). Right now this Konsole I'm using to run elinks to post here is taking 19 MB (resident), sharing 14 MB.

>>30
./configure --prefix=/where/ever/you/want/it/to/be
make
make install

twm

./configure --prefix=/opt/opera

>>35
If you're a minimalist who likes twm, you should also like plan9port's window manager, rio.  Hell, you should like Plan 9--who needs a Web browser.

>>36
You motherfucker, what's Opera doing in /opt!? Bring it back!

I'm creating a NGO, SOS Opera, to fight against the fuckers like you.

The ultimate web browser is a combination of wget and sed.

I don't think you can parse html properly in sed