PHP vs. ASP

Discuss.

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PHP, hands down.

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>>5
No

>>6
it's true, both those languages are a travesty.

PHP is like Perl, with half the power, one quarter the shitty syntax, and equally the same insanity for naming stuff. I find it good for small to medium projects, even if its object model quickly feels limited and you have to get used to the global namespace of functions. It's still a million times better than the shit Microsoft has, and for web hacks, certainly better than most stuff I've seen for Perl and Python.

>>8
not really, Python has a wealth of frameworks that compete on even grounds with RoR, and it also has the advantage of being leaps and bounds faster than Ruby. on the other hand, the frameworks that php has are slower than even Ruby. the only advantage of php (just like perl) is it's omnipresence.

PHP > ASP classic
ASP classic was not very well maintained, initially they were about on par with each other, but PHP kept receiving updates, so that was pretty inevitable. However, I do find the PHP syntax to be a little odd.

ASP.NET > PHP
ASP.NET has support for MANY different languages, including C#, VB.NET, C++, Python, and more, more complete list: http://www.dotnetpowered.com/languages.aspx. You can have several of these different languages running on the same site, AND they are all compiled so they run faster. Also has legacy support for asp classic. VERY detailed debugging messages, and the ability to only show said debugging messages to the local area network for security purposes (can be turned off).

Code behind is nice to have because it keeps things a little bit more clean, and the design and programming departments can work more independently of each other as a result.

Anyway, ASP classic is out of date but definitely better than nothing, ASP.NET took a very different approach to the web design development cycle for the better, and PHP is probably the easiest of the three to learn, but falls short on performance and the new-fangled, but useful changes in asp.net.

>>10
bla bla bla, it's still microsoft.

now, if it was MEGAsoft...

>>10
C#, VB.NET and C++ for the web just suck. Python in .NET? Why tying yourself to Microsoft's shit? Just use Python, as in Python.

Private debugging messages can be done in any language. What's code behind? Probably something trivial as well.

Just why would you want to be Microsoft's bitch by using ASP shit you can't move out of Windows and run for free, scale out to larger architectures or larger PCs when necessary, run in piss old Pentium/166s when not, and port to any OS you want? Python, PHP, etc. run on Windows, but they also run the same code on Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and a fucking videogames console.

PerlHP is much better than PHP and ASP for small or medium-sized projects. for larger ones you're better off using perl, python, or c/c++. stay away from enterprisey shit like java and fads like ruby.

>>13
Intriguing. Care to specify why Python would be better than Ruby for large project?
(I'm genuinely interested, since we just ditched Python in favor of Ruby, and if that was a bad decision, the best time to revoke it would be now)

>>11
>>12
whine whine whine ms sux whine whine

>>12

The idea of code-behind in ASP.NET is that you don't have to mix code and html markup in the same document. In concept it is similar to client-side javascript being included from a separate .js file rather than written inline.

In my experience this approach leads to code that is easier to understand and maintain, so is certainly not a trivial feature.

>>14
ruby is slow. i know if i'm trying to use a web app and it takes more than 30 seconds for every request, i'm going to give up and use something that let's me get some work done.
i've heard ruby 2 is supposed to be faster, but i also heard it's supposed to be released about the same time as perl 6...

>>12
there is IronPython that lets you use Python with .NET, n00b (there's also Jython besides of the standard CPython), but I agree that ASP sucks

>>12
You must've started using open source to be rebellious, you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to Windows.

And the one of the major points of the .NET project was to MAKE code more portable, you ass, it WILL transfer over to other operating systems. You must be talking about ASP classic again.

>>19

I really hope you're trolling and not this retarded.

Since when has MS ever cared about cross-platform compatibility? Never. You know they're trying to become a monopoly, right? And you don't do that by trying to work well with your competition.

>And the one of the major points of the .NET project was to lock developers into Microsoft, you ass, it WON'T transfer over to other operating systems.

Fixed.

>>20
well, there is Mono...

Mono was developed by Novell. .NET was never designed with the idea of platform independence in mind.

>>20
http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html

Try to stay up to date, dipshit.

>>23
doesn't say anything about ASP

gb2bed Hal

>>24
that was a reply to "Since when has MS ever cared about cross-platform compatibility? Never..." I had no idea programmers could be so stupid. biased and closed minded, sure, but jesus.

No, it's actually true. Since when has MS ever cared about cross-platform compatibility? Never.

>>26
No one cares about cross-platform compatibility, just lipservice. Then you find their cross-platform thing isn't so cross-platform. HAW!

>>25
Hasn't used a Microsoft product ever

The DOC file format is perfectly cross-platform: it's broken on Windows and Unix.

Use Linux
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