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Virtual desktop

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-21 22:05

What does Anonymous think about this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ODskdEPnQ  Looks cool to me.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-21 22:39

interesting concept.  it really needs more stuff on that desktop to make it quite as useful as a real desk though.  by 'stuff' i mean things like shelves, drawers, stereos, bookends, toys, pencil cans, and other 3-d stuff that distinctly stands out from plain piles of paper.  and a whiteboard.  and piles upon piles of post-its.

bigger desktop with a 'mouse look' feature would also be nice.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 1:02

People already know how to use computer desktops.  Why do we need this?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 1:11 (sage)

People already know how to use the command line.  Why do we need GUIs?
fixt

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 2:17

| People already know how to use punched cards.  Why do we need command lines?
fixt

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 4:07

People already know how to emulate a Turing machine. Why do we need computers?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 13:32

Computers already know how to emulate a Turing machine.  Why do we need humans?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 14:43

>>1
That's the very best 3D desktop effort I've seen, but FAR Manager is still 100 times faster when handling my files, and other orthodox text-mode file managers as well as the command line are 50 times faster. The problems with these "desktop" models are:

1. You do stuff with clicks and shit. These are much slower than typing the name of the document you want as soon as you have more than four, and you cannot easily match matterns against file names, chain operations, apply different criteria, possibly regular expressions, and integrate them with scripts. Files are still classfied by name, not by location.

2. You need to see things before you act, even though you already know their name and what you want to do.

3. You waste time organizing items visually when the computer should do that for you.

4. This desktop even models dirty desktops and piles of shit. Our real life desktops are piles of shit because we don't have anything better. Computers are something better where this shouldn't happen.

5. Click'n'shit stuff doesn't allow you to intuitively memorize patterns of keystrokes which you use when you perform the same kinds of operations, or even record macros to perform them. Orthodox text-mode file managers, especially FAR Manager, are great at this.

6. A non-functional aspect, but still important, is that the file manager is your essential application (unless you're doing it wrong), yet you use it to launch other programs and coexist with them, and you want it to take as little resources as possible.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 14:57

This seems to be a misguided idea for stupid people.  I do support SOME of it's features, such as the ability to categorize files however you want and see those changes on the file, but it doesn't compare to beign able to get a hard list view.

One of the reasons why computers are so much better for file organization is that it's easier to make alphabetized, nice looking lists of files.

In all my projects, Programming and otherwise, I think I would find a metaphor like this intrusive and slow to work with.  I already have planned t he file layout of the project when I start.  I know what it can do and I know what features to use when I know what I need it to do. 

Maybe some of the stuff it has will be pretty semi-cool.  I used to wish that windows had an ability to highlight different files in different colors like MacOS.  But unless they implement support for the old convention of naming files, I doubt it will catch on. 

Icons are used because they're quickly and easily recognizable.   Sometimes the very length of the name, the way the text sticks out on the side does as much to identify the file as anything else.  If you get rid of the text beneath the icon, you get rid of a method I can use to identify the file quickly. 

The best way to identify files is pictures backed up with text: the picture is much better than the old three letter file extensions for quickly knowing what kind of file somethign is (though the three letter extension provides a quick way to be sure of a file's type when it's ambiguous).  In other words, I think our current system only calls for minor tweaks, if any at all.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-22 17:12

>>9
I used to wish that windows had an ability to highlight different files in different colors like MacOS.
FAR Manager does that... while you still have a real file manager and a real command shell.

IMO the best way to identify a file is to hold Alt (FAR) or press Ctrl+S (MC) and incrementally find its file name.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-23 14:06

>>1,11 same person. Valid points everyone. Apart from the cool factor and that the pile thing is a neat temporary alternative to folders, I still would like to use my mouse. Since it's the year 2006 though I'd like to see something like this come with your computer as a desktop mode, if you will.  You have to buy this; it doesn't come standard, which kinda defeats its purpose I think.

We musn't forget it's just a prototype. As it develops it will be more useful.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-23 14:34

Desktops that look like an actual desktop only prove how silly the desktop metaphor is.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-23 14:44

Because in Windows 3.11 we had Program Manager?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-23 15:59

Yeah, why a desktop of all things? Desktops are limited and messy, and if you use them as a model, you'll come up with something limited and messy. See today's software.

A tree would be a better metaphor, even though I don't like metaphors. My files are just files - directory entries pointing to data (oversimplified for the purpose of not deviating). It's already bad enough that they are called "files".

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