protests in turkey

what do you guys think of ongoing protests in turkey? it's been 10 days.

for the people who's wondering wtf happened in turkey (brief summary in english):
http://youtu.be/LHeeQz5Aiuw

Same old story of the people getting sick authoritarian governments who respond with violence, political imprisonment and denouncement of the legal right to protest. And if Turkey is anything like Syria we'll have the government funded "electronic army" pushing their spin on here.

Oh and don't forget, it's the fault of mysterious invisible foreigners. The people of turkey couldn't possibly be upset with all the restrictions on their liberties.

>>1
what do you guys think of ongoing protests in turkey?
Jews are trying to start new revolution.

Turkey like end like Syria.

im a turkish person. i dont believe in god. not all turkish people are religious, and as everywhere, religion is disinformation, a lie.

erdogan is a religious extremist facsist dictator

hes not really a religious extremist. they've already breached the rules of islam. they don't believe in god, they're the puppet government of fethullah gülen (look him up, he lives in pittsburgh pa, and very public about this, the us loves him), to utilize privatization to make money for his "movement" (jihad.)

they're trying to get a piece of the action in syria, we dont want to get involved.


they're rigging the elections, they have no majority.

the police are like animals. the gulen organization have been stealing the police school entrance exams for the last 20 years. almost all the police organization is in his command. they harass everyone on sight (literally). in traffic they're like maniacs, they shoot people in public, there are so many news about how police is killing people, acting like mad in the street.

theres so much more to talk about turkey involving kurdish people, the first 10 years of the state, the deep state, the military coups, torture, freedom of speech etc..

what i would like people who read this to know that my people are beautiful.

it was a dark empire for the last 10 years, people were in fear, it was a real fear society, they jailed all the journalists, all the students who wanted free education, all the leftists, irrelevant people with irrelevant titles were giving orders regarding selection of rectors of universities

the media was completely suppressed, they fined, bankrupted, confiscated and sold almost all of the media networks their own people

we pay %140 tax for every car. minimum wage is roughly $370 a month

the disinformation techniques they used are disgusting, you cannot believe how they abused this religiousness.

to conclude, i love how everything sparked up from just trying to protect the trees. they were trying to demolish the trees to build a MALL & A MOSQUE. i think this is very symbolic.

they have too much blood on their hands. if one wants to read everything they did, one can refer to the works of RedHack, a communist hacker group who is very much in the center of the protests, kinda quarterbacking, they're released lots of classified material, helped publicizing these events to the international media and everything. they are not affiliated with any political parties, and they've connected one of the very minor media channel that recently gained fame due to their bravery in broadcasting these events, on live television, they talked about everything that lead to these events. the full transcript can be found here.

http://erkansaka.net/archives/23366

if they step back, the rest will follow, they will be prosecuted. lots of people are responsible for torture, organized crime, and lots and lots of laundering.

not mentioning capitalism. this is not anyones fault but capitalism.

>>5
erdogan is a religious extremist facsist dictator
What is wrong with Fascism?

Wasnt Turkey always been an Islamic shithole?

>>5
jihad
What is wrong with Jihad? Do you want Turkey to end like Palestine? Jihadists, like Hamas, defend YOUR future.

>>6

everything is wrong with fascism =)

it was until after the first world war. then we had this 20 year period of true secularity and social progress, and then it was the "conservatives with agendas for liberal economy" started to grow like viruses.

also no, i live in istanbul and i can't objectively call it very islamic. i would also like to express that for all the negativity like radical islamism and capitalism, we have the people who are the exact opposite. we have a guy called turan dursun, wrote a book called "this is religion". he was a government official for religion. 3 huge books. got shot with 7 bullets in the back afterwards.

>>7

from what does it protect me? israel? even if we say that israel wants to kill all the turks, i would still fight against fascism and religion. maybe organizations like hezbollah are are fighting against oppression, but islam is still not the answer. look at ahmedinejad. he was a hardcore islamist, and now throughout his time, he had to understand he had to invest in science, and fastforward to 2013, iran produces %10000 more science (scientific output). he hugs chaves' mom.

believe in people. believe in education.

>>6 Wasnt Turkey always been an Islamic shithole?

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Go to Wikipedia.  Look up Kemal Ataturk and the Young Turk movement.  Educate yourself.

The tl;dr version is, no.  Kemal Ataturk and his revolutionaries overthrew the corrupt Ottoman state.  They imposed order and the rule of law, and tolerated religious rabblerousing neither from the mullahs nor from Armenian Christian troublemakers.  He was an atheist and an anti-Islamist.  He identified Islam as a corrupt, fascistic, anti-modernizing, anti-progressive force and broke its power wherever and whenever he could within Turkey's borders.  Democracy, industrialization, and the modern Turkish state are his legacies.

>>8
look at ahmedinejad. he was a hardcore islamist, and now throughout his time, he had to understand he had to invest in science, and fastforward to 2013
Iran has Islam to thank for its freedom from American occupation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution).

If not for leaders, like Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran would have now been yet another 3rd world country.

Can we stop cracking jokes about edible birds and start talking seriously about how these noble citizens prevented World War 3?

>>5
$370 a month starting? That sounds like paradise to me!

Do you know how many people in Pennsylvania struggle to feed themselves on $097.30 to $128.43 a month under inflation?

http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/18SNAPavg$PP.htm

Meanwhile, the rich conservative elitists with their $1862 a month have the nerve to claim that we don't deserve a daily cold meal to eat!

>>12
Working at McDonalds, I know that feeling. I only make $145 per month. It's horrible and I'm too proud to ask for help even though I am stranded here.

http://www.minimum-wage.org/states.asp?state=Pennsylvania

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/mcdonalds-guest-workers_n_2819621.html

Get a job, you begging transient occupier.

"Exoneration of Jesus Christ If Christ was in fact God, and he knew all of the future.

Before Him like a panorama moved the history yet to be. He knew how his words would be interpreted.

He knew what crimes, what horrors, what infamies, would be committed in his name. He knew that the hungry flames of persecution would climb around the limbs of countless martyrs. He knew that thousands and thousands of brave men and women would languish in dungeons in darkness, filled with pain.

He knew that his church would invent and use instruments of torture; that his followers would appeal to whip and fagot, to chain and rack. He saw the horizon of the future lurid with the flames of the auto da fe.

He knew what creeds would spring like poisonous fungi from every text. He saw the ignorant sects waging war against each other.

He saw thousands of men, under the orders of priests, building prisons for their fellow-men. He saw thousands of scaffolds dripping with the best and bravest blood. He saw his followers using the instruments of pain. He heard the groans—saw the faces white with agony.

He heard the shrieks and sobs and cries of all the moaning, martyred multitudes. He knew that commentaries would be written on his words with swords, to be read by the light of fagots. He knew that the Inquisition would be born of the teachings attributed to him. He saw the interpolations and falsehoods that hypocrisy would write and tell. He saw all wars that would be waged, and-he knew that above these fields of death, these dungeons, these rackings, these burnings, these executions, for a thousand years would float the dripping banner of the cross.

He knew that hypocrisy would be robed and crowned—that cruelty and credulity would rule the world; knew that liberty would perish from the earth; knew that popes and kings in his name would enslave the souls and bodies of men; knew that they would persecute and destroy the discoverers, thinkers and inventors; knew that his church would extinguish reason’s holy light and leave the world without a star.

He saw his disciples extinguishing the eyes of men, flaying them alive, cutting out their tongues, searching for all the nerves of pain.

He knew that in his name his followers would trade in human flesh; that cradles would be robbed and women’s breasts unbabed for gold.

And yet he died with voiceless lips.

Why did he fail to speak? Why did he not tell his disciples, and through them the world: “You shall not burn, imprison and torture in my name. You shall not persecute your fellow-men.”

Why did he not plainly say: “I am the Son of God,” or, “I am God”? Why did he not explain the Trinity? Why did he not tell the mode of baptism that was pleasing to him? Why did he not write a creed? Why did he not break the chains of slaves? Why did he not say that the Old Testament was or was not the inspired word of God? Why did he not write the New Testament himself?

Why did he leave his words to ignorance, hypocrisy and chance? Why did he not say something positive, definite and satisfactory about another world? Why did he not turn the tear-stained hope of heaven into the glad knowledge of another life? Why did he not tell us something of the rights of man, of the liberty of hand and brain?

Why did he go dumbly to his death, leaving the world to misery and to doubt?

I will tell you why. He was a man, and clearly did not know."

http://www.theingersolltimes.com/

>>15
Actually, Spanish Inquisition™ was a force of good, because Spaniards killed mainly Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
The monarchs decided to introduce the Inquisition to Castile to discover and punish crypto-Jews,

I.e. religion was just a cover to justify genocide of Jews. But I personally don't see why we need any justification to kill the foremost parasites of humanity.

>>15
He would know most of that shit would happen with or without christianity. Just take a look at the atrocities committed by atheists in the name of communism.

>>17
Just take a look at the atrocities committed by atheists in the name of communism.
But commies werent atheists. For example, Leo Trotsky was Jewish, while Lenin was 1/2 Jewish and 1/2 German christian. Karl Marx himself was both christian and Jewish.

>>15
For most part Jesus would have been proud, because it were goyim killing each other.

And the LORD thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee. But the LORD thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed. And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them. The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire (Deuteronomy 7:22-25)

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. He that finds his life shall lose it. (Matthew 10:34)

>>17
Just take a look at the atrocities committed by atheists in the name of communism.
Yeah, that was committed in the name of Marxist-Lenninist doctrine rather than atheism in and of itself. Christians like to use this argument to bash atheism.

>>18
And Stalin even studied to become a priest.

All commies knew bible too well and were inspired by biblical genocides.

>>21
Stalin could have been in a boy-band. It's too bad he wasted his looks.

>>22
His father beat him, so he was kind of messed up when he was younger. Looks like he cleaned up as he got older though.

that stalin priest shit is all bullshit. if you knew anything about the time of stalin and ww2 you would know that religion was banned in all of russia and done in secrecy. dumbass

>>24
At the age of ten, Stalin Received a scholarship to the Gori Theological School (Горийское Духовное Училище). His peers were mostly the sons of affluent priests, officials, and merchants. He and most of his classmates at Gori were Georgians and spoke mostly Georgian. However, at school they were forced to speak Russian, a policy set by Tsar Alexander III[citation needed]. Stalin was one of the best students in the class, earning top marks across the board. He became a very good choir singer and was often hired to sing at weddings. He also began to write poetry, something he would develop in later years.[1]

>>25
And Stalin's poetry is very Georgian nationalistic in spirit. Young Stalin was like a Georgian Hitler, very proud of his homeland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin%27s_poetry

>>25
>>26
And the word went before him on a breeze carrying our salvation. Here at least is a man with a mind of a general and the heart of a poet, yet also with the hands of a builder. He will lift us up from the earth.

And the faithful spoke, saying 'Lo, with the scepter of righteousness has justice been forged. If thou wilt hearken to the designs The Builder has made and keep his statutes, thou wilt share in his triumphs.

>>26
Well then, you should love Stalin and have no problem with him.

>>28
I am aware charismatic people like Hitler, Stalin and Griffith from the Berserk manga can turn out to be complete douches. It is just the emotions they stir up in people are something else, the hope and the sense that there is something better than the misery, constant disappointment and grind they had experienced before these leaders offered change.

It just hits the spot, right in the prostate.

Here is an example of what I mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45ReOv-ZlM&t=4m5s
The sub is better but I can only find the dub.

>>27
That's a beautiful speech.