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Genetics and intelligence.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-05 17:24

The evidence in favor of evolution is overwhelming, for instance, statistically, malnourished chinese peasants have higher IQs than many ethnic groups in the developed world.

Unfortunately this knowledge has been misinterpreted by various groups.

Racists attach their self-worth to their race, some racists believe they are superior as individuals due to some statistical or historically evident advantage of their race, other racists become the equivalent of creationists denying that there are any genetic differences at all and create elaborate conspiracy theories to explain why their race is statistically disadvantaged.

How should intelligent people approach this issue?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-05 17:29

With fire. It's amazing that eugenics still exists in any form on account of how obviously evil and irrational it is.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-05 20:45

>>2
eugenics
I would classify them as the racists who "believe they are superior as individuals due to some statistical or historically evident advantage of their race". This form of racism has already been suppressed by society really.

The racists who are "denying that there are any genetic differences at all and create elaborate conspiracy theories to explain why their race is statistically disadvantaged" are the main problem.

Diseases like type 1 diabetes, down's syndrome and cystic fibrosis cause lifelong suffering during the individual's shortened lifespan despite modern medical technology, yet we have had the technology to prevent these diseases for years and done nothing substantial with it. This is a legitimate ethical issue and it can't be left to the racists to decide.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-07 12:59

There are many examples in this society of people deliberately giving their children debilitating diseases to justify the belief that their genes are superior.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/mar/31/warwick-davis-my-family-values

Despite knowing the risks, we decided to try to start a family again. We took years to recover from Lloyd, but I think you learn something about yourself and it makes you stronger. Both Annabel, now 14, and Harrison, nine, were born with SED. Annabel went straight to the special care unit on ventilation and she was there for two months.

Can someone explain how this can possibly be justified?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-07 14:13

>racists believe that their race is superior due to statistics and historically evidence
>eugenics are evil and irrational
>actually believing this

what the fuck am I reading
a species has many races and each race has its pros and cons
it is just so that some races are better than others

go cry to mother nature a river if you still don't accept this truth

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-07 14:55

Care to provide to evidence or even a reason why anyone should act on such evidence?

Nah, I don't think you will.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-08 20:43

>>5
Individuals are not a race, for instance not all Kenyans have the genes that gave successful Kenyan long distance runners an advantage.
>>6
You have internet, you could have easily looked up the facts yourself.
http://www.targetmap.com/index.aspx?searchinput=iq&category=0#

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-09 5:18

>>7
No, you need to prove a direct casual link between genetics and something like IQ before you go "herp look at these maps".

Name: من أجل الله 2013-03-09 13:42

>>8

It has been proven a long time ago. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/250/4978/223.abstract Read on it for God's sake.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-10 12:54

>>9
Did you even read what you linked? The study was cause for a "plausible hypothesis", not a scientifically proven direct causal link.

Name: من أجل الله 2013-03-10 19:44

>>10

That is the way scientific papers are written... "might", "may", "could". Just read the Wikipedia page Heritability of IQ

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-11 8:00

>>11
We've known about heritability since we started selectively breeding animals 8000 years ago. It is an immediately observable fact like "ice is cold" or "birds can fly" that doesn't need strictly quantified evidence. He has just decided anyone who thinks evolution affects humans is evil and is demanding impossible standards of proof, not realizing his logical fallacy.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-11 12:57

IQ tests don't mean shit.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-12 5:24

>>13
If you were smart like me you would realize that it is not that simple, it is not "shit" or "complete truth", it is not one way or the other. IQ tests don't explain everything, 5 IQ points difference between individuals is nothing, IQ doesn't account for every mental ability, but 20 IQ points difference does mean there is a significant difference in puzzle solving or a difference in IQ between populations with similar results over several studies means there is a difference between them that affects intelligence.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-14 11:46

>>14
HURRRRRRRRR
I know it is not one way or another. The only thing it measures is puzzle solving ability however. 'Intelligence Quotient' is an utter misnomer.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-14 14:55

>>15
Maybe I jumped to conclusions, but then you didn't give me much to go on in the first place.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-14 21:51

>>16
STFU

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-15 4:42

>>17
That's not a compelling argument.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-16 15:20

>>18
And yours is?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-16 23:52

>>19
America is falling behind.

http://www.vice.com/read/chinas-taking-over-the-world-with-a-massive-genetic-engineering-program

To me genetics is not ethically different from using vaccines to cure smallpox or any other medical advance and we should educate the public. Like smallpox people thought that being infected with cowpox was ridiculous and it might turn them into cows. I'm seeing pretty much the same thing here.

Are you afraid that admitting people have different genes will lead to bigotry? Even if it does, why let the bigots win? Why let them affect important decisions for your family?

If you found out you had a gene that made you more prone to bowel cancer and had the option of using a simple safe procedure like embryo selection to ensure that gene is replaced with your spouse's healthy gene would you do nothing and risk passing this gene on to your child just to prove a point?

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Name: Anonymous 2013-03-22 1:03

How should intelligent people approach this issue?
There are no intelligent people on 4chan. Just Dunning-Kreuger patients.

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